The Fall of Roe v Wade: US Politics, June 2022

(speaking as a fellow anarchist who prefers to look for solidarity rather than dealbreaking differences fwiw)

i agree with that!

<3

yeah I agree

I also never said “don’t vote,” I think local elections are the only place where leftist policy can really be enacted at this point. I just have no faith in the three branches of the federal government, and haven’t for a long time, and tbh don’t give a shit if that makes me a cynic.

vote local, think national (sorry)

me, I'm in the unusual position of holding out faith in the deep state to preserve capital a.k.a. society for the benefit of more than just the oligarchs

(b/c yeah the 3 branches aren't really cutting it atm)

not sure if people think of the administration of federal regulations as the executive branch, but the supreme court is supposedly about to deliver a punch to the gut when the WV v EPA decision comes

Do tell how we simply must continue to work with and inside a system that has done nothing but fuck most people over for my entire life

You are addressing an interlocutor here who conveniently fits a mold you'd prefer to dismiss.

The system is there whether we want it to go away or not. No one here likes this system, but our dislike doesn't matter unless it's manifested in action. If you see ways to work around the system to make life better for the rest of us, more power to you. But we'll all still be inside it for the foreseeable. Smashing it at a blow is a fantasy, not an option. Until then, we'll continue to seek the crevices of power we can occupy to some good end.

As for the Jan 6 committee, I see no harm in their making it plain to everyone who cares to see that Jan 6 was a serious attempt by fascists at the violent overthrow of our government. I think we all agree that had it succeeded it would not have been an improvement over the present system.

It is, and the existence of such is a New Deal development that conservatives have wanted to gut xpost

I can't believe I am actually saying positive things about Gavin Newsom (it's a SF 2000 thing) but ...

NY thankfully did something similar, though I'm not a big Hochul fan

BREAKING NEWS: Judge Stone GRANTS a temporary restraining order, blocking Utah's abortion ban from being enforced. @fox13 #utpol #Utah

— Ben Winslow (@BenWinslow) June 27, 2022

i can't believe there are people on here grandstanding about not watching the 1/6 hearings.

It's the I Don't Even Own A Television of the politics threads

I don't even own an insurrection

"grandstanding" is a bit much. why don't we just move on though?

Let's run it up the flagpole and see...

Politics' weirdest year.

"grandstanding" is a bit much. why don't we just move on though?

― rob, Tuesday, June 28, 2022 2:31 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

ok thread cop--was merely just pointing something out, that there are a couple of folks here being tools, but by all means, i'll keep walking officer, sorry i stepped off the sidewalk won't happen again

lol ok dude

I admit the defeatist attitude is obnoxious, like for years leftists have been trying to warn everyone that the right wing in this country are fascists who may attempt to overthrow our democracy through violence, and that the news needs to cover them as such, and now there is a lengthy, well-argued primetime hearing demonstrating how they tried to do just that, and the reaction is "Meh, won't matter?" I mean what do we really want here?

‘Why should we hear about insurrections and coups? It’s not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?’

You mistake the warnings of leftists about fascism with faith or concern with protecting Empire— it is about protecting people, and no matter what any of you say, the US federal government seems to be much more interested in immiserating or killing people than protecting them.

“our democracy “ lmfao

i'm allowed to pay attention to the hearings and be informed about it and also agree with those of you on this thread who think that nothing will change, nothing will happen. i think snarkily/sneering at folks who want to be informed is a bad look and makes those folks doing the sneering look and seem petty.

Part of the problem is surely timing. This is an unfortunate month to call attention to the failed version of "a small group of undemocratic extremists take over the govt and strip people of their rights" when you're struggling to demonstrate you can do anything about the wildly successful but legal version of the same thing.

That said, if the Ds hadn't done something in response to 1/6, it would be yet another sign of their uselessness.

but surely a white saviour on a white horse will turn up before it all goes sideways completely and the day will be saved.
Not holding my breath, but surely .

anyways... for those who do care, the witness at the "suprise" hearing today is Cassidy Hutchison.

would someone just fucking primary Biden in '24

CNN ran a brief and shallow story about how people are asking Manchin to run as a 3rd party candidate lol

Many people are asking it, you’re hearing it more and more

Best part was they framed it like "people are sick of white men in their 80s running for prez (Manchin is 74)"

Did these people used to be Veep candidates in the year 2000?

i'm not some fanboy but aoc should primary him. like who has national recognition and doesn't suck

she's not yet 35 iirc

she will be

Timing is tight, but she turns 35 in Oct. 2024.

ah ok thanks

i can't think of anyone else but matthew mcconaughey

joking

I've tried to imagine what AOC could do next that would be bigger/more effective but haven't landed on anything. A doomed primary run is kind of demoralizing to contemplate, but I suppose it could help boost her profile

Amazon CEO.

why not primary Chuck Shumer?

xxpost worked for Tulsi

I’d say run for senate my god the forces arrayed against her (and that’s just her own party and party’s biggest donors) will be off the charts

*but my god

I'd like to think AOC would start off with the Bernie base supporting her, but after years of attacks I don't know if she could even count on that.

don’t think it’s going to be “the base” that will be her main problem

I'd like to think AOC would start off with the Bernie base supporting her, but after years of attacks I don't know if she could even count on that.