The Fall of Roe v Wade: US Politics, June 2022

I don’t think anything will come out of the hearings, but that’s because one criminal enterprise investigating another criminal enterprise doesn’t really have much to tell me.

None of it is legitimate.

If the Justice Department collected all the same evidence they'd have no venue for presenting it to the public. The Committee isn't bound by the same rules, so they can put all this out there prior to any indictmentsthe red wave.

i’m not watching but i’m gonna expend zero effort wondering how anyone could possibly watch it bc that’s a thing dicks do, it’s ok that we’re processing this cultural/political moment differently, maybe post more about how much the democrats suck instead

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, June 27, 2022 10:01 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

fuck off

the word cynic is based on the greek word for dog. seems like the dogs are having their day today.

The Truth and Reconciliation Commission didn't bring one dead Rwandan back to life. I don't know why they bothered.

the word cynic is based on the greek word for dog. seems like the dogs are having their day today.

you are right, table. identifying dogs with corrosive cynicism is a libel against dogs

Good thing my dogs like me corrosive and cynical instead of buying into the idea that the putrid vomitorium of the US government is worth saving.

It isn’t.

The only thing that will change anything is civil war or revolution, and neither of those options are totally great, for reasons that we’ve gone over here again and again. The fact remains that these two things, and/or total climate collapse, are the only things that would allow for any sort of change at the federal level.

fuck off

― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Monday, June 27, 2022 2:35 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

you’re being a dick!! my excuse is i’m jet lagged

And if the Dem response to recent events is any indication, when Miami is underwater and the Santa Anas have burned through half of LA and the midwest has totally desertified, the Dems will tweet out “we’re with you on climate justice, which is why we’re wearing green this Thursday and re-working the recycling system in the halls of congress, all while singing a choral version of Marvin Gaye’s “What’s Goin On. Look at Nancy sing, slay queen”

i wasn’t being sarcastic at the end there, i legit would prefer more posts about how the democrats are bad than posts about “how could anybody possibly watch these hearings” a nothing point made by ppl who love the sound of their own voices

but instead someone who routinely goes off on other ppl like an asshole here tells me fuck off instead, ok!!! i get how i could’ve been misread i guess

xp - If you geniunely want to know why: I am watching it so I can see it with my own eyes, witness it. I don't want to ingest someone else's experience watching it and i do believe it's important to witness. It's sometimes boring but so are the levers of government.

I don't believe that any one of us (human beings on earth) knows exactly what will or won't emerge from the hearings. When someone says "nothing will happen" I have to ask what they know that makes them able to see the future? Let it play out, witness the work being done, and absorb the gravity of the moment. That is why I am watching.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, June 27, 2022 3:52 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

OTM.

earlier in this thread milo posted something megan
mcardle said. never in my life would i waste my time paying attention to something megan mcardle said. does it change anything to pay attention to the things she says? does it bring any value to this already shitty life?

did i post any of these thoughts? no

tipsy mothra - I included CA environmental laws as an example to try to provide balance. I was trying to make the point that regionalism no longer seems to work in the United States and hasn't for a very long time for whatever reason, perhaps primarily because we were never small enough for interactions of the right sort or had enough common assumptions to start, whereas if we did that might make a difference or at least be a start. There could be or have been a time or place where it makes or made sense as now the EU or Pacific alignment seems to make sense, etc. What one considers a stretch for understanding and what conditions determine that may TBD.

By the year 2040, about 70% of Americans are expected to live in the 15 largest states. They will have 30 senators representing them. The remaining 30% of Americans, in small sparsely populated states, will have 70 senators representing them.

— Melissa Ross (@MelissainJax) June 27, 2022

if anyone else has the curse that i do, of reading something like that and wondering "what percentage of americans currently live in the 15 most populous states?", the answer is 66%, as of the 2020 census. it is a problem!

2 out of 3 live in these 15 most populous states.

Massachusetts	7,029,917
Arizona			7,151,502
Washington		7,705,281
Virginia			8,631,393
New Jersey		9,288,994
Michigan			10,077,331
North Carolina	        10,439,388
Georgia			10,711,908
Ohio			11,799,448
Illinois			12,812,508
Pennsylvania		13,002,700
New York		        20,201,249
Florida			21,538,187
Texas			29,145,505
California		        39,538,223

i object to these 15 states, so i renounced my citizenship from "Big Pop State" and moved to the free state enterprise thought leader of the christian states of america, missouri

(That is probably the worst cause of misrepresentation. One might think there could be better ways to represent certain populations for certain purposes and certain populations for other purposes, e.g., global taxation.)

I mean.. isn't that the way it was set up a couple hundred years ago? House is based on population, and states get two Senators each. You can't jerrymander the Senate, they run statewide

I've heard the 'abolish the Senate' arguments aplenty, but c'mon.. ain't gonna happen anytime soon

Eat the Senators

So who's pumped up for surprise Jan 6 hearings? Surely this will be something new, right? RIGHT?!?

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-supreme-court-wont-consider-lowering-bar-prove-defamation-2022-06-27/

agh! oh sorry, the surprise hearing startled me. ha!

The revised schedule comes several days after the committee announced a brief hiatus to assess new evidence and records obtained by the committee, with plans to wait until after the July Fourth holiday for any further public hearings. The sudden change suggested an urgency and sensitivity around Tuesday’s presentation.

Last week, British filmmaker Alex Holder met with committee investigators behind closed doors and provided over 10 hours of footage to the panel from interviews with Trump, his adult children, former vice president Mike Pence, and from the attack on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob. The committee has been in contact with new individuals involved in the efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election, including conservative activist Virginia “Ginni" Thomas, who is Justice Clarence Thomas’s wife, as well as Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.).

now would be a great time for the hearings to address Ginni Thomas, to illustrate the plain-as-day corruption of the supreme court. seems like a timely issue

maybe Charo is gonna guest star

I'm gonna post the same thing I wrote in the gay thread two weeks ago, and I see overlap: stop assuming the worst of posters. Have the moral imagination to accept why other people who share your political beliefs might watch the 1/6 hearings.

Neanderthal and I live in Florida. We know what posturing looks and sounds like.

I’m the first to say that I respect and like many of you, but I do not hold the same political beliefs as most of you.

In fact, with a few notable exceptions, I like and respect all of you!

You mean you dislike Joe Biden and the Dems more than the rest of us? Do tell!

ok fine, sub in "a desire to see a better world"

sorry that was to tabes

table we totally share the same beliefs

i guess what i’d like is fewer superiority trips itt pls, y’all are like the record store clerks of us politics

otm

I'd have serious doubts about someone's morality if they confessed to never being surprised. It's not cynicism -- cynicism is a version of sentimentality.

“Actually -“

this feinstein record keeps skipping, can I return it?

not unless it's produced by Tony Visconti

You mean you dislike Joe Biden and the Dems more than the rest of us? Do tell!

I’m not trying to be superior, fwiw, I’m just stating my actual beliefs without veering too far into what I actually believe, because I’d be FPed into oblivion.

it's not a zero sum game, there are plenty of tools in the toolbox, voting is the least that can be done but far from the most/best

(speaking as a fellow anarchist who prefers to look for solidarity rather than dealbreaking differences fwiw)

i agree with that!

<3

yeah I agree

I also never said “don’t vote,” I think local elections are the only place where leftist policy can really be enacted at this point. I just have no faith in the three branches of the federal government, and haven’t for a long time, and tbh don’t give a shit if that makes me a cynic.

vote local, think national (sorry)

me, I'm in the unusual position of holding out faith in the deep state to preserve capital a.k.a. society for the benefit of more than just the oligarchs

(b/c yeah the 3 branches aren't really cutting it atm)

not sure if people think of the administration of federal regulations as the executive branch, but the supreme court is supposedly about to deliver a punch to the gut when the WV v EPA decision comes

Do tell how we simply must continue to work with and inside a system that has done nothing but fuck most people over for my entire life

You are addressing an interlocutor here who conveniently fits a mold you'd prefer to dismiss.

The system is there whether we want it to go away or not. No one here likes this system, but our dislike doesn't matter unless it's manifested in action. If you see ways to work around the system to make life better for the rest of us, more power to you. But we'll all still be inside it for the foreseeable. Smashing it at a blow is a fantasy, not an option. Until then, we'll continue to seek the crevices of power we can occupy to some good end.

As for the Jan 6 committee, I see no harm in their making it plain to everyone who cares to see that Jan 6 was a serious attempt by fascists at the violent overthrow of our government. I think we all agree that had it succeeded it would not have been an improvement over the present system.

It is, and the existence of such is a New Deal development that conservatives have wanted to gut xpost