The Fall of Roe v Wade: US Politics, June 2022

Let me guess - a poem by Bono.

You don't have to guess. There's a link.

Hmm looks like this thread a real contender to take on Twitter for shittiest hot takes. Gotta say “please shut up”, “STFU leftists/libs” or some variation thereof seem like the favorites.

these aren't 'hot takes', these are real, emotional reactions.

I just posted a link on my FB to CNN's live Roe v Wade feed with a string of curse words. Seems like the best response to this.

I know it's hard to accept rn, but the best solution to shitty democrats is more democrats.

The best of bad solutions I should say, but still the best option we have.

Like focusing your ire on Joe Manchin or Nancy Pelosi as though it is their individual shittiness that explains why we are here and not the extremely fragile and weak power that the Democrats tenuously hold right now is a real waste of energy. Give the Democrats a few more seats in the senate and the shittiest ones either matter less or get pulled toward them.

I don't know how many of you are sitting in offices unable to move.

not sure how old you are man alive but some of us have been sold this bullshit story by right wing "liberals" for way too long to believe it any more

To realize I'll leave and see my neighbors and relatives, the enemies who vote based on the assumption that they can sever what I do from what I am.

Xp to man alive: As if that individual shittiness is completely unrelated to the extremely fragile and weak power.

I have female American friends and right now I’m watching American women on social media panicking that their period tracker apps can be subpoenaed to prosecute them so the “b-b-b-but! Incrementalism!!!!” isn’t cutting much ice with me atm.

Literally don’t understand how you can be like, this is why voting still matters when people voted to avoid this exact outcome and it still happened even with a months notice.

Like focusing your ire on Joe Manchin or Nancy Pelosi as though it is their individual shittiness that explains why we are here and not the extremely fragile and weak power that the Democrats tenuously hold

do you think Pelosi should have campaigned harder for Cuellar, called more frequently for the Republican Party to be restored and strengthened, briefed more explicitly against Ocasio-Cortez and Jayapal, or that she did these things sufficiently well?

even with a months notice.

They voted to protect the homes of the Justices with a month’s notice, don’t worry.

But don’t be mean to Nancy! I’m sure she’s signing off on a feisty fundraising email rn

one thing Nancy Pelosi knows: they are about to rake in some $$$

lot of fighting needs to be taken to the state level now, since we've been abandoned at the federal level.

there are only 20 states that have abortion rights codified into state Constitution, 2 of which have already vowed to revisit the issue this year (Alaska and Kansas).

Everywhere else, there's either a trigger law that makes it illegal now (Missouri, who signed their ban into law today), within the next 30 days, or they have heavily restrictive laws on the books that would have been illegal prior to today, or it's technically legal but no right codified into the state Constitution. Abortion rights hanging in the balance in many states.

In my state, it's legal, but there's a 15-week ban that previously wouldn't have been legal that is now on the books and begins in a week, and I have no confidence that they won't revisit and try for an outright ban.

Pelosi is just the young, hungry, energetic leader we need for that fight.

Let me guess - a poem by Bono.

Manchin: I trusted Justice Gorsuch and Justice Kavanaugh when they testified under oath that they also believed Roe v. Wade was settled legal precedent...

you got played, bro

I don’t think the fight is at the state level. Those states are lost. The fight should be against the total federal abortion ban that republicans will introduce and likely pass within the next 2 years.

yes, let's not fight the fights that need fighting now, let's solely gear up for the one in the next two years (when we could do both at the same time).

like, people you know may need abortions in the next year.

my friend just had a pregnancy scare and was freaked out this morning (rightfully so). it would have been legal for her to come home and get one, but fast forward half a year and maybe not.

As protesters can be heard in the back chanting outside SCOTUS, House Democrats sing “God Bless America.” pic.twitter.com/MjW0cSZ6nY

— Farnoush Amiri (@FarnoushAmiri) June 24, 2022

Cue Curb Your Enthusiasm theme

Hmm looks like this thread a real contender to take on Twitter for shittiest hot takes. Gotta say “please shut up”, “STFU leftists/libs” or some variation thereof seem like the favorites.

shut the fuck up
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, June 24, 2022 11:33 AM (fifty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don’t always agree with table, but today is that day I guess

Shut the fuck up

I have female American friends and right now I’m watching American women on social media panicking that their period tracker apps can be subpoenaed to prosecute them so the “b-b-b-but! Incrementalism!!!!” isn’t cutting much ice with me atm.

― gyac, Friday, June 24, 2022 1:02 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago)

I just want to highlight this. Every American should delete these apps immediately. Frankly I'd advise anyone anywhere to do the same as they have a history of collecting and selling data they shouldn't, BUT more to the point law enforcement can subpoena your data even if the app company is not itself evil.

If hearing this from a cis man is annoying (fair), listen to Gina Neff:

I say this as someone who writes about the politics and economics of self-tracking: delete those fertility apps now.

— Prof Gina Neff (@ginasue) June 24, 2022

I was reading a bit about that - because it was a level of dystopian I hadn’t considered - and clue, I think one of the more popular apps has said that its data cannot be subpoenaed because it’s stored outside the US and subject to GDPR.??? But this thread was horrifying about the scope of such intrusions and where they could go:

If your only advice around cyber security and privacy in the reproductive justice space is to tell ppl to delete their period apps, politely, tap out of the conversation.

— Comorienne 🇰🇲 (@_ShamGod) June 24, 2022

iirc Clue is indeed one of the better of these apps, but IANAL and can't comment on whether US citizen data would be protected or not.

But yes I wouldn't end the conversation at deleting these apps. I have this open in another tab but haven't had the stomach to read it yet: https://www.stopspying.org/pregnancy-panopticon

ot sure how old you are man alive but some of us have been sold this bullshit story by right wing "liberals" for way too long to believe it any more

― Harry Styles and fashion (Noodle Vague), Friday, June 24, 2022 11:57 AM (fifty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

When Democrats had sufficient majorities, they nominated center to liberal justices. When we had a center to liberal majority, we got Roe, Obgerfell, etc. When we lost the majority we got conservative justices. This is just the truth, it's not about whether liberals are "fake" it's what happened.

Perhaps that should be a lesson on relying on anti-democratic institution rather than legislating and governing.

institutions

There's a multi billion dollar industry around knowing when women are pregnant. Something related — a package full of baby-related coupons arriving in the mail a few days before his daughter's first birthday — kicked off The Naked Consumer, a book about marketing as surveillance that I read in 1994.

its such an endlessly frustrating situation. I can't even get too mad at the Dems for all those "the future of democracy is at stake!" emails because you know what? they're right. but they're gonna get killed unless they do something besides recite fucking poems. they had months to prepare for this. if they fumble the ball on something the nation overwhelmingly wants I can't blame the youth for not showing up.

My thoughts on the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. pic.twitter.com/9ALSbapHDY

— Michelle Obama (@MichelleObama) June 24, 2022

apparently this must be a wake up call to young people. great stuff.

good take on the tracking stuff

Unregulated technology allows many, many ways for law enforcement *or* vigilantes to identify and hunt down women suspected of being pregnant.

My new essay explains why avoiding this as an individual—by deleting apps or being careful—will not be feasible.https://t.co/x7JKB0CzRl pic.twitter.com/e75yW9Wtc3

— zeynep tufekci (@zeynep) May 19, 2022

(i.e. telling people to delete clue is like telling people to delete their facebook account. yes, they should, but that doesn't come close to fixing the problem.)

Can I say I identify as a corporation and therefore do not need to obey any laws that threaten my bottom line?

I get what you're saying caek (and Tufecki, who has been saying it for a while), but if it's not clear, I a) want people to take whatever small steps *today* that they can do easily and b) don't expect any data privacy or tech regulations to be passed in the US anytime soon...though tbf I may have missed something as I actively try not to follow US political news as closely as I used to. I do know there are a few bills kicking around, I just assume they're all dead in the Senate

if they fumble the ball on something the nation overwhelmingly wants I can't blame the youth for not showing up.

If "the youth" stop voting, I expect direct action. And by that I mean firebombings and assassinations. If the system is a lost cause, then carry that logic to its natural endpoint and show me Clarence and Ginni Thomas decapitated on video. Either participate in the system, or contribute materially to its destruction. Otherwise, you're just making excuses for your own laziness.

I mean, if this country really is the failed state it shows every indication of being, what's the logic behind continuing to prop it up, other than cowardice and purest self-interest?

Two words:

Burner phones

not morally opposed to violence but man the libs are not going to win that one. not just because they are massively outgunned on a per citizen basis, but when it pops off the state is always going to side with the right. i mean, it just will. idc which ossified democrat filling his or her depends is sitting in the Oval or reading bono poems on the floor of the House.

Anyway, good luck USA

general strike for monday already making the rounds on reddit. i want everyone to participate, regardless of how much you like your place of work. this is wrong and broken and things need to stop for the majority to recognize it.

There's a multi billion dollar industry around knowing when women are pregnant. Something related — a package full of baby-related coupons arriving in the mail a few days before his daughter's first birthday — kicked off The Naked Consumer, a book about marketing as surveillance that I read in 1994.

― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, June 24, 2022 1:01 PM

You can't even buy towels at Target without triggering some of this crap.

A general strike would be a great idea, except I can only dream of a USA that's organized enough to call a general strike that wouldn't call more attention to its weakness than act as a show of strength.

gen strike would be amazing.

sex strike would be p interesting too but then I remember oh yeah a slight majority of white women voted for Trump and that number only edged up in 2020 iirc

The most astonishing thing to me continues to be the women who loudly and publicly and repeatedly announce, "No, I don't think I should be an equal member of society, and I don't think other women should, either."

ok fuck

People seeking abortions are going to be surveilled through their phones. But when I began researching the issue earlier this year, I realized many pregnant women were being arrested because of something else: a loophole in HIPAA https://t.co/VnJDUQZxfv pic.twitter.com/b5ZLb9EQP4

— Louise Matsakis (@lmatsakis) June 24, 2022