The Fall of Roe v Wade: US Politics, June 2022

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and yes, i know, faithful ilx readers, that none of YOU rolled your eyes at fox being called propaganda in the 2000s!

just saying, there is a difference between really bad and reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally bad, and although they're on the spectrum and all of this could be seen coming a long time ago, well, a long time has passed, and yes, this time has come

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 June 2022 03:32 (four years ago)

"on the spectrum" should be "on the same spectrum", i'm not trying to say anything about autism.

saying things on ilx while making a bunch of typos is the most stressful

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 June 2022 03:33 (four years ago)

they didn't even air any commercials that would risk their audience changing the channel and tuning in.

goddam they really do just want it more

OG Bob Sacamano (will), Friday, 10 June 2022 03:38 (four years ago)

i used way too many words to make a point that didn't make any sense. i'm sorry, i'd delete if i could, not because fox isn't propaganda, but because i'm not saying anything anyone doesn't know.

i watched the new cronenberg tonight and then i came home and watched a youtube of the hearings. i'm a mess right now ok, this is more than a person should have to face in one day

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 June 2022 03:42 (four years ago)

yesterday's hearing was upped as a podcast by MSNBC as a Rachel Maddow show. Not sre if they'll keep it permanently
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6DDbS7lZ9tPF43ZvZl48hp?si=9ecdf971b2654854

Stevolende, Friday, 10 June 2022 18:49 (four years ago)

so far the hearings are about as good as they could be, i guess. if nothing else, i agree with the view that it is very important to document what actually happened. even if documenting is not enough, even if these hearings don't even reach most of the country and never will, other than in heavily distorted form, interpreted by people who are against the language.

if nothing else, we got our cover of Dystopia 2022

https://i.imgur.com/jnTQupK.png

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 June 2022 15:22 (four years ago)

BIG IVANKA IS WATCHING YOU

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 11 June 2022 15:29 (four years ago)

it really is a good photo, i think. ivanka's testimony makes it pretty clear that she knew early on (likely before Barr told her it was "bullshit") that what her father was saying was complete bullshit. none of that matters. what matters is that she is large and hangs above the panel designated to investigate her family's blatant, ongoing crimes. her words go away, if they were ever there, her facial expression is blank, there's nothing in there. it's awfulness it its most pure and awful form, the banality that hannah arendt wrote about.

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 June 2022 15:43 (four years ago)

it's possible she never developed real expressions because she has never needed them, once

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 June 2022 15:44 (four years ago)

I like the idea of many of these assholes never being seen in person ever again, just appearing now and then from giant video screens, under duress, with pained expressions.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 June 2022 15:55 (four years ago)

“My lawyer said I had to be here, so” *blank, almost AI-generated expression of indifference*

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 11 June 2022 16:00 (four years ago)

Why are they doing this in prime time? Do they think people are going to tune into this shit?

You're angered because they're making information as available as possible to the nation and the world that counters the relentlessly repeated stolen-election narrative? Is it because you're missing something else in prime time that got pre-empted? Get over it.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 11 June 2022 16:49 (four years ago)

Holy shit at this making the rounds:

Why was there no backup on January 6th?pic.twitter.com/SzQdQauOd7

— Fifty Shades of Whey (@davenewworld_2) June 10, 2022

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 June 2022 16:53 (four years ago)

The MAGA hat is a good touch. Why do I instantly think he was a non-MAGA plant who was there for reasons other than protesting the "stolen election"?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 11 June 2022 17:02 (four years ago)

I guess I don’t understand about that tweet. I thought it was pretty clear that officials were trying to get the DC National Guard called up and were stymied cause the DC National Guard is controlled by the President. And that there were delays because other local law enforcement weren’t on standby, ‘cause no one planned for this thing to turn into a pudgy white riot (you can bet if it was a BLM protest every cop in the world would have been there.)

Also backup did come, I personally saw a caravan of Virginia State Police zoom down Interstate 66.

Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 11 June 2022 17:13 (four years ago)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2021/capitol-insurrection-visual-timeline/

Although the backup came really late, after Trump already did his “we love you” speech.

Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 11 June 2022 17:19 (four years ago)

I guess I don’t understand about that tweet.

That video clip is meant to confuse the narrative. It "proves" MAGA people at the "rally" were sympathetic to the Capitol police and shocked by the violence of "these people" who wanted blood!

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 11 June 2022 17:24 (four years ago)

I don't think it's that nefarious at all. I think the gist of the clip is that even some protestors who were there recognized the situation was out of control in real time, and that the cops were doing nothing. Like, this is a guy that dressed up and showed up but soon saw that this was not what he signed up for, that the crowd was violent/out for blood. Which yeah, we all knew/know that. But to see that contemporaneous perspective from the inside, from a person who (assuming his validity) at least started on the side of the protests and was shocked no one seemed prepared for this inevitable turn, it's useful to have, imo. Doesn't absolve him of any complicity or anything, just emphasizes how chaotic and violent the situation was even to someone sympathetic to the cause, and how Trump was just letting it happen.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 June 2022 17:30 (four years ago)

Josh OTM

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 11 June 2022 19:25 (four years ago)

Grimace! No!

Source: https://t.co/0ms9enEzpK pic.twitter.com/ytIL2ZpVJe

— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) June 11, 2022

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 11 June 2022 20:11 (four years ago)

i'm not sure where to put this, right now, but it seems like something bad was prevented from happening today

BREAKING: Authorities have stopped this Uhaul and detained approximately 20 people. They all have the same type of clothing on. Truck was stopped about 1/8th mile from the pride event. We’re working to get more info from police. @KREM2 pic.twitter.com/bez1msBz45

— Kyle Simchuk (@KyleSimchuk) June 11, 2022

https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/police-detain-group-found-inside-uhaul-coeur-dalene/293-aa1593a5-5fd2-4ce4-b0c1-bf8edaedcfe6

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 June 2022 22:56 (four years ago)

according to this person, they're from patriot front, which SPLC describes as "a white nationalist hate group that broke off from Vanguard America in the aftermath of the deadly “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, of August 12, 2017. "

holy shit. patriot front detained pic.twitter.com/uIIZeXn6Ci

— alissa azar (@AlissaAzar) June 11, 2022

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 June 2022 23:00 (four years ago)

twitter thread here from local eyewitness

scuttlebutt is that they got sprung bc there was a fed in their group chat & they were possibly arrested for conspiracy to riot but idk veracity of that

Patriot front arrested. they have a uhaul filled with shields and idk what else https://t.co/c8pCyd0xGW pic.twitter.com/omQuLyPpoe

— alissa azar (@AlissaAzar) June 11, 2022

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 June 2022 23:02 (four years ago)

lol jinx <3

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 June 2022 23:03 (four years ago)

it doesn't look like they had any guns, at least (?), but still, never a good sign when you're riding as a group in the back of a uhaul, wtf

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 June 2022 23:10 (four years ago)

she (the twitter person) got detained not long after :(

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 June 2022 23:19 (four years ago)

Hmmmm

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 11 June 2022 23:31 (four years ago)

UPDATE: Police say 31 people arrested, charged with conspiracy to riot. Chief Lee White says the group appears to be Patriot Front based on patches, clothing and documents found during the search of the uhaul. Police found shields, shin guards and 1 smoke grenade.

— Kyle Simchuk (@KyleSimchuk) June 11, 2022

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 12 June 2022 00:29 (four years ago)

Every Pride parade in America just gained a whole new battalion of police security whether they want it or not.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 12 June 2022 00:52 (four years ago)

love that these dimbulbs are being BUSSED IN to start shit. every spooky scary conservative talking point is just accusing the opposition this thing that they’re actually doing/ going to do

OG Bob Sacamano (will), Sunday, 12 June 2022 01:20 (four years ago)

Well, yeah.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 12 June 2022 01:30 (four years ago)

one of the arrested dudes was wearing a hat w the betsy ross flag on it, dont these mfers have enough symbolism already ffs

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 June 2022 01:56 (four years ago)

the goddamn nazis collected symbolism like a velour sofa collects dog hair. it's like cheap hooch for populist-nationalist-authoritarian-besotted movements.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 12 June 2022 02:35 (four years ago)

i know its trite to say but i really hate it

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 June 2022 03:30 (four years ago)

I know that part of the country pretty well and the most shocking thing about this to me is that the cops actually arrested the fascists

joygoat, Sunday, 12 June 2022 04:39 (four years ago)

yeah 100%

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 June 2022 05:17 (four years ago)

Although the more I think about it arresting people for threatening a pride parade is much more plausible than if they had been threatening a BLM parade.

joygoat, Sunday, 12 June 2022 05:34 (four years ago)

love that these dimbulbs are being BUSSED IN to start shit.

This was in Coeur D'Alene, Idaho, which is kind of becoming a mecca for white nationalists (again!), who apparently regarded a pride parade happening there as a "declaration of war"

made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 12 June 2022 09:15 (four years ago)

The white nationalists are pretty openly trying to take over Idaho at this point.

made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 12 June 2022 09:16 (four years ago)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/12/senate-gun-deal-framework/

Will 10 Republicans eventually vote for this baby steps bipartisan "gun" deal --would encourage states to establish “red flag” laws that allow authorities to keep guns away from people found by a judge to represent a potential threat to themselves or others, while federal criminal background checks for gun buyers under 21 would include a mandatory search of juvenile justice records for the first time....Other provisions could funnel billions of new federal dollars into mental health care and school security programs, funding new campus infrastructure and armed officers. Several senators last week said they expected one cornerstone of the deal would be legislation sponsored by Sens. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) and Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) to establish a nationwide network of “community behavioral health clinics.”

NOT in bill-- ban on assault weapons, high-capacity ammunition magazine restrictions and broad background check expansions, raise the minimum age for the purchase of at least some rifles from 18 to 21.

A House bill that passed includes background check expansions, and raising age but Senate Republicans won't consider this bill

curmudgeon, Sunday, 12 June 2022 16:48 (four years ago)

The white nationalists are pretty openly trying to take over Idaho at this point.


ah gotcha. Qanon Anon podcast did an ep about this a couple of weeks ago.

OG Bob Sacamano (will), Sunday, 12 June 2022 16:54 (four years ago)

guns don't kill people, senators kill people xp

thinkmanship (sleeve), Sunday, 12 June 2022 16:56 (four years ago)

Will 10 Republicans eventually vote for this

I seriously doubt it. By now they are petrified of being labeled as 'anti-gun' and they will run away screaming in terror rather than vote for any restrictions, no matter how trivial.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 12 June 2022 17:04 (four years ago)

I see no reason that they won’t. The senate bill, as I’ve seen summarized, does virtually to curtail gun ownership. It has a voluntary “red flag” grant program that is easy to imagine becoming completely useless, and another tool for systematic racism in some states. It doesn’t do anything to prevent an angry person from going to a store and legally buying enough weapons and ammo to kill hundreds of people.

At the same time, a vast majority of people, when many conservatives, want something done. They’ll be able to get 10 votes because this is a way for them to appear to do something while actually doing nothing at all

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 12 June 2022 17:38 (four years ago)

Permanently typing on phone, many typos

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 12 June 2022 17:38 (four years ago)

here is the optimistic view of what's in the bill:

🚨NEWS: We have a deal. Today a bipartisan group of 20 Senators (10 D and 10 R) is announcing a breakthrough agreement on gun violence - the first in 30 years - that will save lives.

I think you’ll be surprised at the scope of our framework.

1/ Here’s what it includes:

— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) June 12, 2022

haven't seen the full list of 10 republicans, but here are some:

9/ So grateful to @JohnCornyn @kyrstensinema @SenThomTillis @SenToomey @Sen_JoeManchin @SenBlumenthal @SenatorCollins @LindseyGrahamSC @ChrisCoons @TeamHeinrich @BillCassidy and others for their amazing work to get us this far.

— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) June 12, 2022

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 12 June 2022 17:43 (four years ago)

The list

In addition to the core four negotiators, the legislation is backed by Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), Bill Cassidy (R-La.), Chris Coons (D-Del.), Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Pat Toomey (R-Pa.), Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Richard Burr (R-N.C.), Mark Kelly (D-Ariz.), Angus King (I-Maine), Rob Portman (R-Ohio), Mitt Romney (R-Utah) and Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.). Portman, Toomey, Blunt and Burr are all retiring at the end of the year.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 12 June 2022 17:47 (four years ago)

Funding for mental health clinics is good. It has nothing to do with limiting gun violence, but it is good anyway. Allowing it to be labeled as a gun violence limiting measure plays into the false Republican narrative, which whitewashes their nonsense, but at least it salvages something positive before the sense of crisis abates.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 12 June 2022 17:50 (four years ago)

Funding for mental health clinics is good. It has nothing to do with limiting gun violence, but it is good anyway.

While the available research points to the obvious fact that most gun violence is not committed by those with a mental health diagnosis, programs in conflict resolution, mental health awareness, and community building have had a decent track record in steering people away from violence. Just saying.

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Sunday, 12 June 2022 18:01 (four years ago)

The white nationalists are pretty openly trying to take over Idaho at this point.

yeah, i didn't realize that uhaul had people from across the country in it. Two of them were from near St. Louis (one of them hails from the patriotic town of FREEBURG)

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 12 June 2022 18:01 (four years ago)


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