The Fall of Roe v Wade: US Politics, June 2022

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stop criticizing Israel’s right to exist.

okay, she lost me here lol

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:17 (one year ago) link

Similar upbringing and perspective as my mom. My dad grew up a red diaper baby but his dad was a teacher at Andover, so he rubbed elbows with a lot of scions growing up and was extremely conservative until Bush 2, when he began to rapidly mellow into the Bernie type politics guy he is now. Tbh I am proud of him.

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:17 (one year ago) link

It seems any thoughtful criticism of Israeli policy gets recast as opposing their very right to exist, or anti-semitism

I doubt your mom feels this way, but nonetheless

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:19 (one year ago) link

A former colleague of mine, an orthodox Jew, told me Jimmy Carter was antisemitic, which was news to me. I asked her why, and her basic answer was that he was critical of Israel.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 9 June 2022 22:04 (one year ago) link

There are so many better reasons to dislike Jimmy Carter.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 June 2022 22:10 (one year ago) link

Based on reported news, leaks and rumors, I'm beginning to suspect that the Jan. 6 committee may finally demonstrate, after all its investigating, that the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, two openly seditious right wing groups whose leaders are currently in jail, indicted for seditious conspiracy related to Jan. 6, may in fact have had something to do with Jan. 6, possibly something seditious. Hopefully the Jan. 6 committee will present ample facts so people can come to their own conclusions. Maybe one day in the near future they'll even be convicted and sentenced - perhaps for sedition? - in time for the next GOP president to pardon them.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 June 2022 22:38 (one year ago) link

Why are they doing this in prime time? Do they think people are going to tune into this shit?

sleep, that's where I'm the cousin of death (PBKR), Thursday, 9 June 2022 22:42 (one year ago) link

Put it on Netflix, call it Stranger Things 5, slap some Kate Bush on top.

I don't think I'll be around tonite to watch this dog & pony show, but I look forward to any really damaging stuff that comes out, fully realizing that diehard trumplings won't give a shit about anything that's revealed

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 9 June 2022 22:45 (one year ago) link

Seeing "Top Gun" tonight, at least I know that will get results.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:12 (one year ago) link

Why are they doing this in prime time? Do they think people are going to tune into this shit?

The people most likely to respond to 30 e-mails a day asking for just five more dollars will be glued to the screen?

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:13 (one year ago) link

Ugh those locker room scenes in Top Gun are torture

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:13 (one year ago) link

No spoilers!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:14 (one year ago) link

(Are there planes?)

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:14 (one year ago) link

Planes wearing precariously balanced towels around their midsections?

Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:14 (one year ago) link

Sensual Aircraft

Here we go

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:59 (one year ago) link

I can't watch this, it'll dredge up too much. Will gladly read the highlights

Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:02 (one year ago) link

Fuckfuckityfuck.
The audio was so far out of sync in that Bill Barr clip, I could practically smell the deepfake conspiracies developing in real time...

m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:17 (one year ago) link

Lynne Cheney is kind of amazing in this hearing, she is not reading from any script but is speaking in the moment and is very articulate

Dan S, Friday, 10 June 2022 00:33 (one year ago) link

Like most Republicans, she knows how to hate.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:35 (one year ago) link

I think she probably memorized this performance but it is pretty intricate and is an amazing monologue

Dan S, Friday, 10 June 2022 00:38 (one year ago) link

“Be there. Will be wild!”

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:38 (one year ago) link

I'm only listening on radio, she's not reading from a teleprompter or something? pretty amazing

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 10 June 2022 00:49 (one year ago) link

Jan 6 footage.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:52 (one year ago) link

“there will come a day when Donald Trump will be gone, and you will be dishonored”

I would like to believe that will be true!

Dan S, Friday, 10 June 2022 00:58 (one year ago) link

I’m still so angry that these assholes weren’t arrested right then and there.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:58 (one year ago) link

this fucking video

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:01 (one year ago) link

Oof, that final sound bite & image combo.

lol @ Tarrio and other Proud Boys admitting they sold more merch after Trump's comments at the debate.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:24 (one year ago) link

I feel like it's my responsibility as a citizen to watch this and yet I know it will send me careening into hopelessness (I'm not watching it)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:25 (one year ago) link

It’s a lot to watch.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:26 (one year ago) link

it's better stitched together than expected

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:27 (one year ago) link

The documentary filmmaker talking about the Proud Boy/Oath Keeper meeting the night before was something.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:38 (one year ago) link

There’s some canny stagecraft at work here that I appreciate - a white, female representative in split screen interviewing a white Capitol police officer and this awful day.

One was trying to defend the other and was assaulted for it.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:43 (one year ago) link

I missed a word or two in that post but you get what I’m saying.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:44 (one year ago) link

“I was slipping in people’s blood.”

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:48 (one year ago) link

Just heard that not only did Fox not broadcast this, they didn't even air any commercials that would risk their audience changing the channel and tuning in. That's pretty despicable, even for them.

(Top Gun was silly but very entertaining, btw.)

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 June 2022 03:00 (one year ago) link

The Newsmax lower third during the hearings has been completely unhinged. pic.twitter.com/eBS5oRXEcw

— trapezoid of discovery (@get_innocuous) June 10, 2022

Jesus christ pic.twitter.com/05xjUQe5YD

— trapezoid of discovery (@get_innocuous) June 10, 2022

.@TuckerCarlson: The truth of what happened on Jan. 6 is still unknown https://t.co/FLBpB9uGtq

— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 10, 2022

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 June 2022 03:28 (one year ago) link

xposts there's your answer for why fox didn't broadcast the hearings: they'll get better ratings with tucker carlson, who will also, simultaneously, provide a different version of events for his viewers. why wouldn't they? everyone rolled their eyes when fox news was called "propaganda" during the bush administration. that's because they used to keep most of the more overt propaganda stuff on the "opinion" shows after the "news" hours were over. that line between news and propaganda was completely obliterated at some point, long before hannity was onstage with trump

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 June 2022 03:31 (one year ago) link

and yes, i know, faithful ilx readers, that none of YOU rolled your eyes at fox being called propaganda in the 2000s!

just saying, there is a difference between really bad and reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally bad, and although they're on the spectrum and all of this could be seen coming a long time ago, well, a long time has passed, and yes, this time has come

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 June 2022 03:32 (one year ago) link

"on the spectrum" should be "on the same spectrum", i'm not trying to say anything about autism.

saying things on ilx while making a bunch of typos is the most stressful

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 June 2022 03:33 (one year ago) link

they didn't even air any commercials that would risk their audience changing the channel and tuning in.

goddam they really do just want it more

OG Bob Sacamano (will), Friday, 10 June 2022 03:38 (one year ago) link

i used way too many words to make a point that didn't make any sense. i'm sorry, i'd delete if i could, not because fox isn't propaganda, but because i'm not saying anything anyone doesn't know.

i watched the new cronenberg tonight and then i came home and watched a youtube of the hearings. i'm a mess right now ok, this is more than a person should have to face in one day

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 June 2022 03:42 (one year ago) link

yesterday's hearing was upped as a podcast by MSNBC as a Rachel Maddow show. Not sre if they'll keep it permanently
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6DDbS7lZ9tPF43ZvZl48hp?si=9ecdf971b2654854

Stevolende, Friday, 10 June 2022 18:49 (one year ago) link

so far the hearings are about as good as they could be, i guess. if nothing else, i agree with the view that it is very important to document what actually happened. even if documenting is not enough, even if these hearings don't even reach most of the country and never will, other than in heavily distorted form, interpreted by people who are against the language.

if nothing else, we got our cover of Dystopia 2022

https://i.imgur.com/jnTQupK.png

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 June 2022 15:22 (one year ago) link

BIG IVANKA IS WATCHING YOU

it really is a good photo, i think. ivanka's testimony makes it pretty clear that she knew early on (likely before Barr told her it was "bullshit") that what her father was saying was complete bullshit. none of that matters. what matters is that she is large and hangs above the panel designated to investigate her family's blatant, ongoing crimes. her words go away, if they were ever there, her facial expression is blank, there's nothing in there. it's awfulness it its most pure and awful form, the banality that hannah arendt wrote about.

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 June 2022 15:43 (one year ago) link

it's possible she never developed real expressions because she has never needed them, once

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 June 2022 15:44 (one year ago) link


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