The Fall of Roe v Wade: US Politics, June 2022

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I feel like Republicans turned against Nixon because the news reporting would be too damning for them. Now, with Fox, Newsmax, OANN etc. they've created their own alternate reality where Trump (and the party) have done no wrong. Also Trump is their charismatic leader now, and all the DeSantises and Cruzes trying to suck up to that power don't really have "it" as far as I can see, so the lackeys will support him until enough of the country has turned against him.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 9 June 2022 17:56 (two years ago) link

Yes. Also their own voters. This would change after 1980.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 June 2022 18:01 (two years ago) link

I've said a million times, all the "moderate" once-Republicans are now Democrats.

Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 9 June 2022 19:49 (two years ago) link

Nah, they're either dead (because they were born in 1907) or fascists now. Moderate Republicans didn't move to the Democrats, they just stopped being moderate.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:06 (two years ago) link

We all have our good former Republicans.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:10 (two years ago) link

Yeah, but Romney & Murkowski have some misgivings and decidely mixed feelings about the fascism

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:11 (two years ago) link

even Goldwater's rep has been rehabilitated through the prism of today's GOP shitshow

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:12 (two years ago) link

He was the first rehab case I remember because he wasn't quite as insane as the rest of the party but only about gay people serving in the military.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:15 (two years ago) link

Also looked genuinely pissed off about Nixon's felonies and didn't retreat into "Well, we won't let Democrat senators do THAT to us again."

He's still heinous.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:20 (two years ago) link

idk I think there are a lot of people who were yuppie Reagan/ Bush I voters in the 80s living in blue metros/ states with no ties to the religious right, find MAGA “tacky” and vote Democratic now. which sort of seems like the primary project of Democratic Party since Carter: ie replace union voters with lettered suburbanites convinced that low or no corporate taxes, financial deregulation, and big military budgets are The Way

OG Bob Sacamano (will), Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:21 (two years ago) link

eg my 50 something NoVa cousin who was basically Alex P Keaton in the 80s

OG Bob Sacamano (will), Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:22 (two years ago) link

My best friend's in-laws! The dad was a bottom-feeding Cuban conservative radio personality, just awful, whose brain was broken by Dubya. Hated the Iraq War. Voted for Obama twice, Clinton, Biden. He ain't going back.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:22 (two years ago) link

here's the quote that libs love to float:

A woman has a right to an abortion. That's a decision that's up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right.
-Barry Goldwater

I guess he'd be more of a libertarian in today's spectrum

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:23 (two years ago) link

groomers pic.twitter.com/ALKSMZ2wIZ

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 9, 2022

idk I think there are a lot of people who were yuppie Reagan/ Bush I voters in the 80s living in blue metros/ states with no ties to the religious right, find MAGA “tacky” and vote Democratic now. which sort of seems like the primary project of Democratic Party since Carter: ie replace union voters with lettered suburbanites convinced that low or no corporate taxes, financial deregulation, and big military budgets are The Way


Tbh this is exactly my parents, tho they’re a bit older— in their early 70s. I also think both of them have realized that we need medicare for all, and my dad even supported Bernie in 2020 before it went to shit. Oh well.

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:04 (two years ago) link

My mom, who just turned 77, nicely laid out her politics in a recent email, which I found interesting:

My politics have been fairly consistent throughout my adult life. I tend to be socially liberal and fiscally somewhat conservative, but being socially liberal means spending on social programs. When I first started voting, I nearly always voted Democratic. If I really did not like a Democrat candidate, I did occasionally vote for the Republican. I have never missed voting in a presidential election. I supported JFK in 1960, and LBJ in 1964, but I could not vote until the 1968 election because the voting age was 21 until 1971.

When I moved to Pennsylvania, I was required to pick a party. My township was almost 100% Republican. The same candidate, a Republican, would either be listed on both tickets, or would be unopposed. So I registered as an Independent. This meant I could not vote in primary elections. Some of the mid-term elections included Governor or US Senator, so I voted in them. Eventually I increased my votes to include all elections except primaries. After Donald Trump won the 2016 presidential election, I changed my registration to Democrat so that I could finally vote in primaries. I will now vote for anyone opposed to Trump. I believe he set the country back in so many ways that it may never fully recover.

I am pro-choice, pro-equality, pro-voting rights. I want real tax reform where everyone pays their fair share. I want more money spent on education. I want affordable or free-tuition college options. I want the US to support democracy around the world, I want United Nations reform, I want other nations to pay their share and stop criticizing Israel’s right to exist. And of course I want peace.

Tbf, her whole family has always leaned Democratic. My dad's family, working class Philly, all lean more or less the opposite, and his side of the family is where I've discovered all the open and secret Trumpers.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:11 (two years ago) link

JiC I love your mom! Those are pretty much my mom's views as well.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:14 (two years ago) link

stop criticizing Israel’s right to exist.

okay, she lost me here lol

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:17 (two years ago) link

Similar upbringing and perspective as my mom. My dad grew up a red diaper baby but his dad was a teacher at Andover, so he rubbed elbows with a lot of scions growing up and was extremely conservative until Bush 2, when he began to rapidly mellow into the Bernie type politics guy he is now. Tbh I am proud of him.

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:17 (two years ago) link

It seems any thoughtful criticism of Israeli policy gets recast as opposing their very right to exist, or anti-semitism

I doubt your mom feels this way, but nonetheless

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:19 (two years ago) link

A former colleague of mine, an orthodox Jew, told me Jimmy Carter was antisemitic, which was news to me. I asked her why, and her basic answer was that he was critical of Israel.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 9 June 2022 22:04 (two years ago) link

There are so many better reasons to dislike Jimmy Carter.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 June 2022 22:10 (two years ago) link

Based on reported news, leaks and rumors, I'm beginning to suspect that the Jan. 6 committee may finally demonstrate, after all its investigating, that the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, two openly seditious right wing groups whose leaders are currently in jail, indicted for seditious conspiracy related to Jan. 6, may in fact have had something to do with Jan. 6, possibly something seditious. Hopefully the Jan. 6 committee will present ample facts so people can come to their own conclusions. Maybe one day in the near future they'll even be convicted and sentenced - perhaps for sedition? - in time for the next GOP president to pardon them.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 June 2022 22:38 (two years ago) link

Why are they doing this in prime time? Do they think people are going to tune into this shit?

sleep, that's where I'm the cousin of death (PBKR), Thursday, 9 June 2022 22:42 (two years ago) link

Put it on Netflix, call it Stranger Things 5, slap some Kate Bush on top.

I don't think I'll be around tonite to watch this dog & pony show, but I look forward to any really damaging stuff that comes out, fully realizing that diehard trumplings won't give a shit about anything that's revealed

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 9 June 2022 22:45 (two years ago) link

Seeing "Top Gun" tonight, at least I know that will get results.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:12 (two years ago) link

Why are they doing this in prime time? Do they think people are going to tune into this shit?

The people most likely to respond to 30 e-mails a day asking for just five more dollars will be glued to the screen?

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:13 (two years ago) link

Ugh those locker room scenes in Top Gun are torture

broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:13 (two years ago) link

No spoilers!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:14 (two years ago) link

(Are there planes?)

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:14 (two years ago) link

Planes wearing precariously balanced towels around their midsections?

Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:14 (two years ago) link

Sensual Aircraft

Here we go

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:59 (two years ago) link

I can't watch this, it'll dredge up too much. Will gladly read the highlights

Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:02 (two years ago) link

Fuckfuckityfuck.
The audio was so far out of sync in that Bill Barr clip, I could practically smell the deepfake conspiracies developing in real time...

m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:17 (two years ago) link

Lynne Cheney is kind of amazing in this hearing, she is not reading from any script but is speaking in the moment and is very articulate

Dan S, Friday, 10 June 2022 00:33 (two years ago) link

Like most Republicans, she knows how to hate.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:35 (two years ago) link

I think she probably memorized this performance but it is pretty intricate and is an amazing monologue

Dan S, Friday, 10 June 2022 00:38 (two years ago) link

“Be there. Will be wild!”

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:38 (two years ago) link

I'm only listening on radio, she's not reading from a teleprompter or something? pretty amazing

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 10 June 2022 00:49 (two years ago) link

Jan 6 footage.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:52 (two years ago) link

“there will come a day when Donald Trump will be gone, and you will be dishonored”

I would like to believe that will be true!

Dan S, Friday, 10 June 2022 00:58 (two years ago) link

I’m still so angry that these assholes weren’t arrested right then and there.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:58 (two years ago) link

this fucking video

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:01 (two years ago) link

Oof, that final sound bite & image combo.

lol @ Tarrio and other Proud Boys admitting they sold more merch after Trump's comments at the debate.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:24 (two years ago) link

I feel like it's my responsibility as a citizen to watch this and yet I know it will send me careening into hopelessness (I'm not watching it)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:25 (two years ago) link

It’s a lot to watch.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:26 (two years ago) link

it's better stitched together than expected

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:27 (two years ago) link


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