If you could pack up and move your whole life, where would you go?

you have to admit that joe biden does control global gas prices though

one of those "the worst person you know has a point" moments

At least the (mostly) educated white English-speakers of ILX are choosing places where they can be with those of their kind as opposed to colonizing / gentrifying?

New Zealand is colonised?!

Like, it literally is? White people are the colonists there.

Also certain other large countries

in conclusion, we should all live under the sea

i want somewhere that's quiet, has nice bars that aren't of the "loud trivia night/karaoke" type, but quiet places where you can sit outdoors and talk about your lives with friends while the sunsets, where there aren't "I DID THIS" stickers all over every gas pump and "TRUMP WON" posters visible, where there's beautiful street art on the corners, and concert venues that are loud as fuck and get obscure metal bands to show up.

and weed is decriminalized.

A bit of weed, a bit of colonialism..

Let's make lots of money.

he's in Florida and talking about sitting outdoors so... canada would be a bit of a let down

You can't sit outdoors most of the year here in North Central Florida. It's either too hot and humid or too damply cool.

a good year in most all of Canada we're talking 50 sit out nights

*all the more populated parts of canada. adjusted to average for the geography we're talking 0.5

I grew up near Buffalo on the Canadian border. The joke there was that Buffalo had two seasons, winter and the 4th of July. It wasn't really true, but warm summer nights were valued

Florida's not quite but reaching the 'unbearable to be outside' phase. my mother got heat exhaustion just trying to see Paul McCartney last weekend, and this was as the sun was setting.

I feel like one of those cheap CVS misters is a required purchase here

I grew up near Buffalo on the Canadian border. The joke there was that Buffalo had two seasons, winter and the 4th of July. It wasn't really true, but warm summer nights were valued

I read a version of that joke in a Jim Harrison book, describing the Upper Peninsula of Michigan as having two seasons, August and winter. He described sitting in a pickup truck with the engine running and the heat blasting to watch Fourth of July fireworks.

Florida's heat is still more manageable than DC or New Orleans if you're on the coast.

My dad grew up in northern Wisconsin and his version was "ten months of winter and two months of tough sledding".

Buffalo isn't so cold, though, because there's always a house on fire nearby.

not sure what that refers to tbh

70s news broadcasts on WIVB and WKBW that seemed to be nothing but house fires in Tonawanda and Cheektowaga, night after night.

I remember that being a thing in Detroit in the 70s - Devil's Night - but not in Tonawanda or Cheektowaga

we got hit really hard by the lake-effect winter snow coming from the west over Lake Erie

This thread makes me think of Revolutionary Road by Richard Yates. The author treats the couple's plan to move to Paris as the embodiment of deluded wishing, but then he also treats a poorly-performed amateur play as a crushing humiliation. So to avoid extreme pessimism, perhaps stay away from this book while thinking of living elsewhere.

― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 1 June 2022 03:02 (yesterday) link

ha, that's hilarious. i hadn't heard of that book til now, but it basically sounds like paris syndrome: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

Finland:

it's either dark all the time or light all the time
everything just seems to work perfectly
death metal is normcore
even the tiniest apartment has a sauna and you will see everyone you know fully naked
the most popular flavour for any foodstuff is salted licorice
everyone is surprisingly open and friendly, in a quiet reserved sort of way, but all of them carry big knives

― Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, May 30, 2022 4:07 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

i can't tell if you like or dislike those things, but all that sounds awesome to me

Also: rampant alcoholism, I gather.

not even in the top 10

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholism-by-country

"If you could pack up and move your whole life, where would you go? "

1971

Odd that some countries with reputations for alcoholism, like Ireland and Iceland, rate much lower than South Korea or Latvia. Doesn't mean that alcoholism isn't a problem there, but that reputations are not a very good yardstick.

New Zealand is colonised?!

― gyac, Wednesday, June 1, 2022 2:33 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Like, it literally is? White people are the colonists there.

― gyac, Wednesday, June 1, 2022 2:34 PM (yesterday)

yeah, you're right ... but they'd be the 2nd, 3rd, whatever wave? Does that make it better? Do you feel like it's worse than being the first white boots on the ground? What if they're American, and are coming from another country where white people were the colonizers?

What?

I guess sarahell is saying they wouldn't be doing a new colonisation. In essence, moving to NZ for a white American is just the same as moving somewhere else in the US - they are colonised lands but for generations have been majority of white-European heritage.

The original statement: At least the (mostly) educated white English-speakers of ILX are choosing places where they can be with those of their kind as opposed to colonizing / gentrifying?

I mean, this is entirely flawed, but it seems to suggest that moving to a pre-colonised place is somehow morally better than moving to another country that isn't predominantly white-European? The fear of being a new coloniser seems to be more heavy than the fear of perpetuating colonisation, not to mention the fear of becoming some sort of weird ethno-bubble?

Well who would choose to be an outsider long term? Many of us are for whatever reason.. but the question is where would you go settle in if money is no object

Oh yeah, I'm not talking about the practical reasons anyone might have for their choice, and personally I'm absolutely not judging anyone for their choices! However, the statement that seems to have caught attention very much seems to be concerned with the morality of the moves people might make. As though there's a wider guiding principle that people should take into consideration. I feel like it's reasonable to pick up on that and question it.

itt people seeking their tribe

my dreams of moving somewhere else are predicated on going somewhere to be an alien

i probably would've made a pretty good Fin

xp I've done it, it can be a great time. But it's rare to want to stay like that

am i wrong in thinking the question isn't talking about a few year jaunt?

NV, one of my more feasible dreams of moving is actually to Hull. Pretty much entirely b/c it's one of the only places I could maybe afford to buy a place to live. Also, Spiders.

I once registered with a mutual exchange council home swap site and was looking for somewhere by the sea, even places with bad reps like Grismby or Filey but there weren't many wanting to move my way. Then I found someone with family in my area and willing to swap this way on the Isle of Man and their description of the house made it sound amazing, it had a sea facing back garden and apparently you could see the Milky Way on a clear night. But I felt like I'd end up getting murdered or chased into the sea with pitchforks and turned it down.

i fear Spiders is not what it was

Weren't they still birching people on the Isle of Man until ludicrously recently?

that wouldn't surprise me

Not that recently but recently enough:

The Isle of Man (a small island between Britain and Ireland with its own legal system as a British Crown dependency) caused a good deal of controversy by continuing to birch young offenders until 1976.

I guess sarahell is saying they wouldn't be doing a new colonisation. In essence, moving to NZ for a white American is just the same as moving somewhere else in the US - they are colonised lands but for generations have been majority of white-European heritage.

The original statement: _At least the (mostly) educated white English-speakers of ILX are choosing places where they can be with those of their kind as opposed to colonizing / gentrifying?_

I mean, this is entirely flawed, but it seems to suggest that moving to a pre-colonised place is somehow morally better than moving to another country that isn't predominantly white-European? The fear of being a new coloniser seems to be more heavy than the fear of perpetuating colonisation, not to mention the fear of becoming some sort of weird ethno-bubble?

My argument is don’t call NZ a white country in the sense its indigenous people are white - unlike, idk Ireland, where we actually are - and then say that moving there is to be with fellow elite people and it’s not colonising. I’m not sure modern day Māori much care about the motives of white westerners pricing them out or what wave of colonialism we’re splitting hairs on, you know?

fellow white, lol, thanks autocorrect

I love my house and immediate neighborhood, like an approximately one-square-mile area that has my preferred bars and shops and whatnot.

However, it would be nice if it were mounted on gigantic rails and could be moved to approximately the latitude of Savannah, Georgia in February.
Then slide it to approximately to the latitude of Freeport, Maine in August. Perhaps do this gradually, so that it's pretty much always late spring or early autumn.

Every couple of years it might be fun to have it transferred to a huge barge and towed to the vicinity of Aruba, or Cap D'Antibes, or Venice.

Or, alternatively, just keep it on a barge and move it lazily up and down the US east coast, near enough to run day excursions to art museums in Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Washington, etc.

gyac, I agree with what you're saying. I was just trying to expand on the point that I thought was being made and pick it apart a little. The picking apart wasn't really directed at a specific argument, just my thoughts on the questions brought up.

More thoughts: I do think that the morality of moving isn't all that simple - I believe in open borders, free travel and the broadening of cultural horizons, but is that extricable from the history of colonialism and current structures of privilege? Can I say "culture should be shared" when I come from a country that is notorious for stealing and stifling it?

I guess maybe I should move this to another thread, though, if it seems a bit heavy on this one?