U.S. Supreme Court: Post-Ginsburg Edition

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Ha, that makes it dicta. Obiter dictum? Whatever it’s called. I should read it to understand better.

Random aside: Orbiter Dicta will be my law nerds spacerock band name.

The Hon. Christian Sharia (R - MO) (Hunt3r), Friday, 20 May 2022 14:37 (four years ago)

Opening for Stare Decisis soon.

PBKR, Friday, 20 May 2022 16:15 (four years ago)

👍

The Hon. Christian Sharia (R - MO) (Hunt3r), Friday, 20 May 2022 17:37 (four years ago)

Starry Decisis

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 20 May 2022 17:41 (four years ago)

i am beginning to think about this a little bit more clearly bc i think it actually affects something i am working on irl. one thing that is dumb about this is that in jarkesy they opined about the ALJ removal issue but did not rely on it to vacate the judgment. they said they didn't know what the remedy should be if that was the only issue. which is also weird because if the ruling is that the judgment is vacated because it should have been filed in federal district court there is no issue with the ALJ! it shouldn't have even been part of the opinion. i don't expect the supreme court is going to care about that.

― towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, May 20, 2022 8:56 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

This confused me -- was it remanded *to the ALJ* for proceedings consistent with the finding that it shouldn't have been before the ALJ? I didn't understand the remand in the opinion.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 20 May 2022 17:42 (four years ago)

the judgment is entered by the SEC so it goes back to them, as far as i understand. not to the ALJ, they basically manage the litigation and fact-finding and report to the SEC with a recommendation.

towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 20 May 2022 20:40 (four years ago)

Good read:

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 May 2022 21:03 (four years ago)

While Clarence Thomas badmouths the press and the libs, more dirt keeps coming out about his ethics

Good morning. So Ginny Thomas was paid for many years to lobby against the ACA while Clarence Thomas on several occasions voted to overturn the ACA or weaken it substantially. AND, Thomas failed to report her income from that lobbying for years. That’s Clarence Thomas.

— Eric Segall (@espinsegall) May 22, 2022

curmudgeon, Sunday, 22 May 2022 15:03 (four years ago)

there are going to be some big consequences for clarence thomas after this bombshell

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 22 May 2022 15:18 (four years ago)

the corruption is so brazen it's unbelievable, and they know they are above the law and the only possible institution that can hold them to accountability is crumbling itself

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 22 May 2022 15:19 (four years ago)

That's a great tweet, really affirming of my low opinion of all involved, but it would be nice if it linked to some published reporting backing it up.

If you were really hard core, you'd have thrown a full bottle (WmC), Sunday, 22 May 2022 15:24 (four years ago)

Very little is known about her company, Liberty Consulting, which is listed as an asset on her husband’s Supreme Court disclosures. CNBC was able to find some of her conservative-leaning clients by cross-checking Virginia business records, tax forms, Federal Election Commission filings, personal financial disclosure documents and through interviews with people familiar with her work. Even so, watchdogs say such documents may not entirely reveal who she’s represented and whether those groups have ties to any cases before the court, raising increasing calls for more transparency.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/05/inside-the-consulting-firm-run-by-ginni-thomas-wife-of-supreme-court-justice-clarence-thomas.html

curmudgeon, Sunday, 22 May 2022 15:29 (four years ago)

from 2011

https://www.npr.org/2011/11/15/142339329/the-nation-clarence-thomas-vs-legal-ethics

bamcquern, Sunday, 22 May 2022 15:29 (four years ago)

from that article from back in 2011

This is a good time to recall that seventy-four members of Congress have signed a letter asking Justice Clarence Thomas to recuse himself from any ruling on the Affordable Care Act because of his wife's work as a conservative activist and lobbyist, where she specifically agitated for the repeal of "Obamacare." The recusal effort was spearheaded by Representative Anthony Weiner, and his resignation in June slowed the momentum around this issue on Capitol Hill—but there's still ample evidence for concern.

https://www.npr.org/2011/11/15/142339329/the-nation-clarence-thomas-vs-legal-ethics

curmudgeon, Sunday, 22 May 2022 15:32 (four years ago)

what makes it so brazen is that the justices surely understand that how important it is to not even give _the appearance_ of a conflict of interest. fuck, that is something every manager in the world, every person who makes decisions or is in charge of certain things, should know. and does know. of course he knows better. you have to bend upside-down and backward and twist all of his actions into a dense knot to begin to come up with a version where his actions are ok

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 22 May 2022 15:34 (four years ago)

and yet

*another decade passes*

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 22 May 2022 15:34 (four years ago)

god, lol at anthony "my life focus is basically my" weiner being the one to lead the charge on conflict of interest, great move democrats. i'm sure none of them knew that weiner was a gigantic piece of anti-ethical shit

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 22 May 2022 15:35 (four years ago)

ha looking back at the House in 2011, nearly everyone in GOP leadership has been forced out, lost re-election or retired (McCarthy a notable exception) whereas the Democrats' leadership is basically the same

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 23 May 2022 15:09 (four years ago)

The other day I remembered....Tom DeLay.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 May 2022 15:17 (four years ago)

Another Monday with a bad 6 to 3 decision. A death penalty one

the court said the federal Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act bars federal courts from developing new evidence related to the ineffectiveness of the postconviction [state level] lawyers. Sotomayor and an attorney for Jones and Lee said the decision takes out the “guts” of the earlier ruling.

In Jones’ case a federal court judge ordered him released or retried after finding lawyers failed first by not presenting evidence he was innocent and then, after his appeals failed, neglecting to argue his lawyer was ineffective. The Supreme Court’s decision reinstates his conviction, his lawyers said.

https://ktar.com/story/5071945/supreme-court-rules-against-2-arizona-death-row-inmates-in-right-to-counsel-case/

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 03:58 (four years ago)

Scotus Blog on the same death penalty case --

Two men on Arizona’s death row are not entitled to present new evidence in federal court to support their arguments that their trial lawyers bungled their cases, the Supreme Court ruled Monday in a 6-3 decision.

The question in Shinn v. Ramirez and Jones was whether state prisoners challenging their convictions and sentences in federal court could develop evidence in the federal proceeding to support claims that their state trial lawyers were ineffective to such a degree that the prisoners’ Sixth Amendment right to counsel was compromised. The case pitted the language of the Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, which generally prohibits federal courts from holding an evidentiary hearing on these kinds of claims if the prisoner “has failed to develop the factual basis of a claim in State court proceedings,” against a 2012 Supreme Court decision, Martinez v. Ryan, which held that prisoners can raise a claim of ineffective assistance of counsel for the first time in federal court.

In an opinion by Justice Clarence Thomas, the court sided with Arizona.

“[O]nly rarely may a federal habeas court hear a claim or consider evidence that a prisoner did not previously present to the state courts in compliance with state procedural rules,” Thomas wrote. And in this case, he concluded, Section 2254(e)(2) forecloses the prisoners’ efforts to introduce new evidence outside the state-court record.

https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/05/divided-court-restricts-prisoners-ability-to-pursue-claims-that-their-lawyers-were-incompetent/

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 04:06 (four years ago)

Clarence Thomas said that allowing a federal hearing on ineffective counsel and why the counsel were ineffective in introducing evidence of innocence here would "be an affront to the State and its citizens who returned a verdict of guilt after considering the evidence before them. Federal courts, years later, lack the competence and authority to relitigate a State's criminal case."

Here is Clarence Thomas, writing for 6 of 9 Supreme Court justices, explaining that the prospect of a federal court hearing evidence that a person on death row might be actually innocent is an "affront to the State" and its sacred right to kill people pic.twitter.com/LjpX0mvAx7

— Jay Willis (@jaywillis) May 23, 2022

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 04:17 (four years ago)

I’ll add here that Congress and the Biden administration could rectify this tomorrow. They could pass a bill to repeal or significantly reform AEDPA. They won’t, because the law is immensely complicated, and the GOP will demagogue the hell out of it. But they could.

— Radley Balko (@radleybalko) May 23, 2022

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 04:18 (four years ago)

Can we all just use our collective minds to concentrate really hard and imagine Clarence Thomas dying in his sleep?

If that works we can move onto Alito next.

Christ

Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 12:46 (four years ago)

Dear Christ: I like your concept for the bumper sticker, but it is too long

—Bob Marley

The Hon. Christian Sharia (R - MO) (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 15:27 (four years ago)

Be Non-Violent, But Pray For Your Enemies to Die in Their Sleep

--Einstein

rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 15:46 (four years ago)

this was from his Sermon on the Mount, jfc do none of you read the Bible

Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 16:12 (four years ago)

next you'll tell me you are ignorant of Jesus's destruction of the temple due to not accepting Bitcoin

Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 16:13 (four years ago)

"He drove them all out of the temple, and poured slurp juices on the sheep, and the oxen; and drained the changers' wallets, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold apes, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of poorly-made art."
— John 2:15–16

rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 16:18 (four years ago)

I still can’t get over “slurp juice”

DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 16:45 (four years ago)

I would settle for debilitating strokes

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 20:57 (four years ago)

Nah they'd Weekend At Bernie's that fucker, stat

politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 21:04 (four years ago)

Will slurp juice give debilitating strokes

DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 01:20 (four years ago)

two weeks pass...

A California man carrying at least one weapon near Brett Kavanaugh’s Maryland home has been taken into custody by police, after telling officers he wanted to kill the Supreme Court justice, according to people familiar with the investigation.

The individual, described as a man in his mid-20s, was found to be carrying at least one weapon and burglary tools, these people said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. Police were apparently notified that the person might pose a threat to the justice, but it was not immediately clear who provided the initial tip, these people said. The man apparently did not make it on to Kavanaugh’s property in Montgomery County, but he was stopped on a nearby street, these people said.

Two people familiar with the investigation said the initial evidence indicates the man was angry about the leaked draft of an opinion by the Supreme Court signaling the court is preparing to overturn Roe. v. Wade, the 49-year-old decision that guaranteed a person’s constitutional right to have an abortion. He was also angry over a recent spate of mass shootings, those people said.

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 14:26 (four years ago)

whew now we can support mental health funding

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 14:30 (four years ago)

And ban burglary tools

politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:04 (four years ago)

We should be hardening our Supreme Court justices imho

rob, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:28 (four years ago)

and swallow their tears

Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:29 (four years ago)

surprised that doesn't happen more often to be honest

adam t. (abanana), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:48 (four years ago)

a while ago i almost posted the extreemely lame shitpost “want more gun control talk? organize poc militias w high visibility and really prominent discussion on community organization that is against/aside cops and extra-legal (but within the law).”

this would likely be v terrible esp for most poc afaict, terrible in so many ways. accelerationist in like 4D really.

Warning: Choking Hazard (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 19:03 (four years ago)

(if you don’t think it would be terrible, i don’t wanna debate it, will listen to the criticisms polite-like)

Warning: Choking Hazard (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 19:05 (four years ago)

Yeah, there's a bunch of Reagan quotes you can dig up where he came out very strong in favor of gun control...

When he was governor of CA, and the Black Panthers had begun doing armed patrols

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 19:08 (four years ago)

That is one of said shitpost ref points for sure as it is pretty common nollege aka even i know it.

i’ve def dragged this thread down but i’m so disrtessed by this crisis when profoundly disarming usa is the answer that makes real sense and cannot happen soon.

Warning: Choking Hazard (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 19:14 (four years ago)

Oh for sure, the major factor in driving gun control in the '70s was fear of Black men with guns. As a right-wing friend of mine loves to point out every time the issue comes up.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 19:15 (four years ago)

(Same guy also always points out Margaret Sanger was a racist, of course.)

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 19:16 (four years ago)

i’ve got a good judge friend and when i read about https://www.npr.org/2020/11/19/936783691/judge-esther-salas-remembers-the-night-of-assailants-attack-on-her-family i freak out a bit. won’t mention it to him, but FUCK

Warning: Choking Hazard (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 19:19 (four years ago)

I also actually have a judge friend (a former judge now) who was directly threatened in a country song that a disgruntled defendant put up on YouTube. That turned out to be a mistake, because threatening specific judges by name even in a country song is not protected by the First Amendment. But it definitely freaked out my friend a bit.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 19:21 (four years ago)

Reagan also turned against assault rifles and the NRA out of office; I have a vague memory of a column published under his name in the early '90s that caused a stir. Too fucking late, though I'm sure it gave bipartisan cover for the 1994 crime bill.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 19:22 (four years ago)

xpost Here's a news story about my friend's case: https://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-now/man-accused-threatening-judge-song-lands-18-months-175339786.html

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 19:23 (four years ago)

G Bush disavowed and left NRA publicly in mid 90’s

Warning: Choking Hazard (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 19:24 (four years ago)


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