Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

An Associated Press-NORC poll released on Monday showed that fully one-third of Americans, and almost half of Republicans, believe that “there is a group of people in this country who are trying to replace native-born Americans with immigrants who agree with their political view.”

the murderer in buffalo, who knows how tuned in they are to data and polls and shit like that. but, knowing that fully ONE THIRD of the country agrees with him should terrify the other two thirds, and it must be very emboldening for violent racists to look around them and realize "i've got about 100 million americans who agree with me"

Posting it here would be probably over the line, but there is a clip floating around from the stream video of the shooter about to a shoot a white man on the ground, he stops himself and says "Sorry!" and moves on to find other victims.

Jesus Christ

I know it’s not the right thread for it, but the ADL is a racist organization— just not for the reasons that Gaetz believes it is, which are vile

a conspiracy theory that’s quickly becoming gospel on the right: that Democrats want a flood of immigrants to remake America and keep them in power

"quickly becoming"? this shit's been gospel among racist right-wingers for decades. it's just a slight variation of Reconstruction era bullshit. the first wave of this stuff goes back to the Know-Nothings.

Talia Lavin has a good RollingStone.com essay about this whole fetid pile.

the replacement theory sounds almost the same as the horrible shit my deeply racist Australian uncle used to say about ..well, literally every immigrant Other you could name ie anyone who wasn’t an aging white farmer. It’s terrifying because there is real anger at the heart of it. They just drive around in their car & momentarily seeing *anyone* who doesn’t look like them is enough to make them feel like their point is proven.

And for every shooter is there’s whole communities of people who agree, not even the loud ones who attract attention online, but tenfold more just silently nodding & quietly voting in motherfuckers who fan the flames & make even more of this shit possible.

Meanwhile, on the west coast...

Orange County Sheriff Reports Shooting With Multiple Victims At A Laguna Woods Church

https://laist.com/news/orange-county-sheriff-reports-a-shooting-with-multiple-victims-at-a-laguna-woods-church

Jesus, it never ends. Allegedly another mass shooting just now at a church in Laguna Woods.

Here's who the Buffalo victims were.

https://www.facebook.com/Mari.Love110317/posts/1045259769709465

Thanks, Tipsy.

Seeing right wingers trying to just “both sides” things by bringing up the guy who shot at Scalise and others on a baseball field. Ugh.

one of the saddest things to me is that the buffalo shooting is actually causing a food crisis for the poorest residents, since that's the only real grocery store in that part of the city, which is one of the most segregated & redlined cities in the nation. food banks & community fridges are coming together to do deliveries, but even in normal times their resources are obviously stretched to the limit. its infuriating to see how fragile the food infrastructure remains here in 2022, especially since it didnt need to be a white supremacist terror attack for this to happen, could just as easily have been a gas leak or water main break or anything else to cause one single store to shutter for a week and boom, thousands go hungry.

Awful. Have you a link, One Eye? I'd like to share it.

Damn.

I found this one.

bless you alfred. Buffalo Community Fridge is doing a lot of good organizing right now, and FeedMoreWNY can always use funds. i'm hearing that some of the community fridges & grassroots orgs have actually halted cash & food donations since theyve become inundated, the real need right now just being warm bodies to organize donations, do deliveries, help elderly people fill their bags, etc. i'm gonna try to knock off work early and go assist.

Awesome, thank you for doing that. I work for an aid network in the Hudson Valley and our operations aren't affected by this terrorist attack but speaking generally, we have enough money/donations. What we lack is people with time to drive, shop, deliver. Expecting it to get worst as summer crests and people are away.

That's interesting; in most cases I've heard the opposite, that there's enough volunteers but not enough money with non-profit aid operations.

It's good that people are immediately jumping on Tucker and the rest of the ghouls at FOX for platforming the exact ideas that led this guy to do this but uh...what are the chances an 18 year old is actually watching FOX News? Is it not infinitely more likely that he got this shit from 4chan, Stormfront, Discord, maybe even Reddit?

Maybe it’s a trickle-down perspective?

I just found out the person killed in the Laguna Woods shooting yesterday was my primary care physician, Dr. John Cheng. Absolute hero. He attacked the gunman and helped save so many in that church. I just wanted his name to be known. He will be missed. pic.twitter.com/jAW8LvpmaB

— Johnny Stanton (@johnnystantoniv) May 16, 2022

I’ve been actively trying to avoid any detailed stuff about the Buffalo shooters manifesto, livestream, etc, but my understanding is he was a 4chan person

if you get influenced by anything on /pol then you're just an idiot who shouldn't even be on there.

This killer was a teenager, and it's clear that at least some of his manifesto is classic trickled-down racism from mainstream outlets (Tucker Carlson/Fox)... feel like that distinction between 4chan and the wider internet died by the time Trump got elected. 4chan has already infected the world.

xp that plays into the “pol isn’t real” idea that everyone on pol is larping, but i think that nine times out of ten people on pol say what they mean and the other times they’re not far off.

also a lot of kids come from households where this kind of stuff is accepted

Yeah, Daddy bought this fuck one of his guns as a 16th birthday present — let's hear a whole lot more from the media about that.

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/tops-worker-says-911-dispatcher-hung-up-on-her-during-shooting-the-dispatcher-is-now/article_81722c50-d6b6-11ec-9b8e-978e1bbde2e4.html

Insane that someone who can't buy a six pack of Schlitz can easily buy an assault rifle

"Online, he raged against Black, Hispanic and Jewish people — and then logged off to hang out with his closest friend, Matthew Casado, who is Hispanic and whose girlfriend is Black. Seven weeks before the Buffalo attack, Mr. Gendron celebrated Mr. Casado’s 19th birthday at a Mexican restaurant with Mr. Casado’s family.

Mr. Casado and his girlfriend, Skylar McClain, both said in interviews that Mr. Gendron never let on that he felt such hate.

“He was never racist towards me or around me,” said Mr. Casado, adding: “I was one of the only friends, if not the only friend, he had.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/22/nyregion/broome-county-buffalo-shooting.html

Wtf

"Mr Casado, who is one of the good ones"

" they had been celebrating Casado's recent conversion to Judaism at the Mexican restaurant.."

I shouldn’t have opened this thread. Someone’s defending pol on here? Or is this another case of me missing a lot of context for some apparent ILX crap-take.

I didn’t see any defending. People were debating whether the majority of the racist trolls on their “really mean” what they’re saying. I feel like this doesn’t matter.

Like, the intentions are irrelevant if you are putting that vile stuff out in the world knowing that some people like this shooter will take it seriously.

Right, agreed. Maybe “defending” wasn’t the best choice of words.

if you get influenced by anything on /pol then you're just an idiot who shouldn't even be on there.

Who should be on there? I guess that’s my point. I do believe in free speech in principle but if those forums are active hubs of recruiting terrorists (and possibly broadcasting terrorist attacks) then that’s really testing the first amendment imo.

With the caveat that afaik in this case the stream of the attack was promoted on Discord, not any of the chans.

I skimmed this and thought "What does Ian Mackaye have to do with this?"

Guilty of being wypipo?

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/24/1101037902/texas-elementary-school-shooting-uvalde

Jesus fucking christ, another god damned elementary school.

I just heard that on the radio,SO awful...

Fortunately the GOP has a solution: thoughts, prayers, and vague mutterings about mental health services, as long as the mentally ill won't have their firearms taken away

Actually they don’t even pretend to say stuff anout mental health services any longer.

They know such services don’t exist because they were the ones who cut them!

oh right.. now it's just about good guys having guns, to confront the bad guys having guns
either way, the solution is more guns

BREAKING: Law enforcement sources say they are expecting a significant death toll from a school shooting in Uvalde, Texas.

— Tony Plohetski (@tplohetski) May 24, 2022

uhhh what does "significant" mean

I have a kid in 1st grade right now, would love to not have to worry about this constantly for the next 11 years

Holy shit, last I heard it was 2 dead, now it's at least 14 children dead. Children. Fuck this stupid fucking garbage ass shithole of a country.

jesus fucking christ

Fuck