"If you can smoke and drink while doing it, it's not a sport" - a thread for BOSCH

has there ever been a good or interesting take on the russian gangster as the new mafia concept ?

(this version is bad and boring) (og law and order had some entertaining characters now and then i guess in the 00s, this doesn't have that either)

the procedural drama in the o/g series was hardly sparkling or boldly original but legacy REALLY misses it: hours of the newly minted PI and his high-end lawyer foe-chum tippytoeing round warehouses and whatnot to catch the crims at it is NO SUBSTITUTE AT ALL

also where is maddy this ep, i dont even love her sections but

Watched the first episode and it definitely feels like a cheap knockoff of the original. Don't give a fuck about Maddie's police training; there's already a whole procedural about that on network tv — it's called The Rookie and it's dull as shit, too. Bosch without a badge is just an old crank, and honestly I don't think the show has the budget to actually film his house sliding down the hill by season's end so I suspect that's just a distraction. Willam Devane in his wheelchair looks kind of amazingly like John McCain.

lol baby bosch is in this flashback ep and he's a belligerent prick

(good casting tho tbh)

show frantic to have it both ways re bad-apple cops and not in a deft or an interesting way really

So if enjoyed Bosch non-legacy version but don't really care about the Bosch extended universe, should I put legacy in my viewing queue? most comments ITT are on the negative side...

not really feeling it adds anything tbh

i will watch the series out probably bcz who wants to be left hanging but

its bad and the theme song is bad

ima still watch it tho

TY. Think I’ll spend my limited TV time elsewhere and enjoy the memories from the original series.

watching bosch: legacy sandwiched between la reina del sur s2 and better call saul (with ulvede on the news) is not doing bosch: legacy any favours at all

i mean uvalde

wow waterboarder war criminal bosch flashback was unexpected, so many bad decisions in this show

Haven't watched the streaming show yet, but I've been listening to the books in order and have gotten up to the 17th Harry Bosch novel, The Burning Room.

It is the first one read by Titus Welliver. I don't know how he is as an actor, maybe ok, but as a narrator he is an incredible bore. It really puts a damper on the whole series

I want to like the remaining 7 novels. It's a reminder to me how important the narrator is with audiobooks

xpost I really liked Welliver as Bosch in the TV series.

he's very watchable but it's kind of a recessive minimalism with the other more expressive characters as foils: i can easily see it getting tiresome when he does everyone else and the narration

Bosch going full on Jack Bauer (sort of) out of nowhere not a great shift for the series

yeah this series is dumb and bad

did we already know he was a vet? i dont remember anything abt it on the show (i haven't read the books)

yeah that’s why I qualified slightly
They did reference his special forces background in Iraq and Afghanistan (how he took out the S3 baddie and how he was a credible vet junkie in S6) but still …..

Sad to hear this isn’t good. Not even sure I’m gonna give it a shot. Might just leave things be and enjoy my mems of the og series.

I think the loss of the great supporting cast is what hurts it the most + really can’t stand that phoney “jazz cat” Mo (urgh)

In the earlier iteration of the show I’d hope the goes Bauer scene would be a set-up for reflecting on what his time in special ops did for his sense of why he became a cop, why being a PI is a better fit for his moral crusade, but that bit about red tape or whatever and Maddie pondering what it means to be a “good cop” in just about every scene, in parallel with Chandler basically being cool with having a guy murdered despite having some bad dreams…sigh

His military background is all over the original series.

lol is it? lucky for me there isn't a test i guess

the dumbest thing for me in this season is how utterly pointless and perfunctory the J Edgar cameo is. The Crate and Barrel scenes at least had a tiny bit of the old flair.

Watched the first one last night, it's hard to pin down exactly what's wrong - everything's just a bit off. When Bosch is talking to the coroner buddy, his manner is wrong and there's this real ugly shot and reverse at the end. Bosch was always AMC basic cable but this is more USA Network.

Maddie is... not a good actor?

She should have gone to law school and the show picks up with her just passing the bar and working as a lawyer under Mimi Rogers, that's more believable than cop.

Early USA Network at that

Yeah she basically has a few modes and they are not suited to expressing very much (although I guess I’m holding out hope that her main mode, the indignant one, will strengthen her arc as it currently just feels like an awkward fit which could be fun to explore)

many xps

the very first Bosch book, Black Echo (1992), was about his flashbacks from his days as an infantryman in Viet Nam clearing enemy tunnel complexes

Dan S, yeah, the time shift from the novels to the tv show (and the desire to have Bosch be more virile, as opposed to elderly) made him a post-9/11 soldier in the middle east ... as opposed to a Vietnam vet, in a less elite unit and ... actually, I forget whether he enlisted or was drafted? The switch in military background (from Nam to Bush 2 Crusade) was something that always was a little cringeworthy for me in the series, (along with Maddie's acting, and the amount of screentime she was given) even though, more than most book-to-TV series, the original Bosch was really faithful and a good adaptation of the books.

Bosch’s hepcat helper is pretty rough going.

I keep pretending he's the Nightlife character from the Achewood comics

it's very unkind to suggest that he's fedora guy but he kind of is fedora guy

I like his rookie partner, Lucia Soto, who first appears in The Burning Room

I keep pretending he's the Nightlife character from the Achewood comics

I don't know anything about Achewood but holy shit that is spot on.

https://www.achewood.com/index.php?date=06202003

Bosch and Nightlife trading jazz names is even more awkward than Crate and Barrel starting to Remember Some Movies And Movie Guys around season 4.

Art Pepper, man…

Titus Welliver's narration of The Burning Room has put me to sleep more than once over the last week and a half, but I finally finished it and am warming to him slightly as a narrator

It's nice to see Bosch, Honey, even Maddie again... but yeah, this season felt really off. They had like six different storylines that would usually be given to six different characters but with the tiny cast, the mains each got 2 or 3 different stories. very weird to have what seemed like the A-story (Bratva) abruptly wrap up mid-season. the Bosch vs. the assassin stuff was terrible, so out-of-place for this show. theme song and incidental music were also noticeably bad

I don't think the show has the budget to actually film his house sliding down the hill

No, but they tried their best with that terrible oil plant explosion shot

maybe I'm picking on it too much though. I would watch another season, it had enough Bosch essence for me

any one else watch the Lincoln Lawyer series?

Yeah, I watched it. It was supposed to be a network show orginally, I think, and it definitely had that feel. But it wasn't terrible.

Have watched 7 seasons of the OG show over the last few months and had a total blast. Agree that S7 was rushed and a bit of a mess but enjoyed a snarling Bosch handing over his badge at the end. Like a few others have said, I desperately wanted to see more of Bosch (and Captain Reddick) in action but the overriding tone of interactions in the whole show is suppressed rage so it figures.

Things:
- like mark s, I frequently found myself saying 'but he doesn't ever *listen* to Coltrane!
- did Bosch ever sleep in a bed in the whole show?
- I have been learning to move like Jimmy Santiago and
- if there's a spin-off, I'd watch Jimmy just sitting on a bar stool
- where does Edgar by his shirts?

Wait, Santiago Robertson, obvs.

I know it's happening in multiple places but goddamn Irv :(

https://uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/lance-bosch.gif

Normally a new season of Bosch was timed well enough to come out when I was dissatisfied with much of what I've been watching. Not sure if I trust season 2 of Legacy.

The Bosch Legacy theme song is even worse than the plot of the first two episodes of Season 2.