Come anticipate "The Dark Knight Rises" with *BATSPOILERS*

ty, ty.

There were new to me!

I remember Mr. Freeze being really awesome on the cartoon Batman show. Scary, tragic.

yup.

also in this: http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Snow-Dan-Curtis-Johnson/dp/1401212654

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I'm inclined to think this Depp/Hoffman rumor is bullshit because a) as noted this rumor has been around since before DK was even out, and b) its way more likely that Gyllenhaal will be in the third movie as Catwoman - she's already under contract for three movies, it would fit into the personal transformation/unintended consequences thread of the existing narrative, you don't SEE her die ("cats have 9 lives" lolz). Plus the cat joke/ref in DK.

By all means there could be another villain, but I'll be very surprised if there's no Gyllenhaal as Catwoman.

Depp would be completely non-threatening as the Riddler imo, the best thing about the first two movies was Gary Oldham so as long as he's in the next one i'm happy.

but I'll be very surprised if there's no Gyllenhaal as Catwoman

(a) would look good in costume; (b) would allow her to play the opposite of the character she played in Secretary.

not minor, but certainly not the center of the action in the way the joker was ...

― tylerw, Friday, July 24, 2009 4:17 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

...which was about two-face as much as it was about the joker in exactly the same way as the first one was about ras al ghul as much as it was about the scarecrow!

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only logical choice imo

that dude has problems

Starting with his greasy forelock.

still crossing my fingers for catwoman. bale's on record saying he wants wayne to knock boots, and I think the sex angle is the only novel place to go post-joker - otherwise it's all just crime bosses with goofy fetishes ("I like cold!" "I like alice in wonderland!")

i may have posted this on a thread before, but I'd love to have catwoman call out bale's goofy "argh i'm batman" voice and then have him abandon it, as if finally accepting that wayne is the costume and that batman is the real him.

some other villainy casting ideas i wrote for work a while back

eric roberts didn't actually die, gets really into greek mythology and becomes...maxie zeus!

miley cyrus is a teeage sociopathic joker fan who becomes...harley quinn!

ben foster is a cyberpunk who decides batman is the reason crime bosses are buying funny hats and becomes...anarky!

sly stallone is bane!

maybe you have one villain be the standard crook and the other one be a vigilante going after Batman for being a menace.

http://www.popculturemadness.com/Entertainment/News/Images/Special.jpg

miley cyrus is a teeage sociopathic joker fan who becomes...harley quinn!

YES.

Pretty cool fan-made poster
http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/riddlerpostercopy.jpg

I was typing 'Batman' into Google and after I clicked search I realized I had actually typed 'Batmoon'

Luckily the GIS results were not as bad as I thought they would be

Third Rock From The Sun kid to take over the Joker role. Maggie as Catwoman.

just... "maggie"?

maggie smith

Thatcher. Filming starts tomorrow just in case.

I think bringing in Catwoman would be a good idea, but didn't Gyllenhaal's character die in the Dark Knight? They'd require some major retconning to make her into Catwoman. Also, the enemies/partners + sex + costume fetish thing between Bruce and Selina was done so well in Batman Returns, they'd have to find a new angle to that, otherwise they're just biting Burton. I guess Catwoman being an ex of Bruce's who's pissed off at him for letting Joker (supposedly) kill her could provide that angle.

I think the only way to top the first two films, and a nice left turn and final nail for the trilogy, would be to have the next film as a huge set piece, something like The Long Halloween (but not that), Dog Day Afternoon or Die Hard.

It's all so old hat now. I say turn Batman evil and psychotic. Make Oldman the hero, sympathetic to Batman because of his past help, but single-mindedly focused on reigning him in.

i like mei's idea

The biggest temptation to be overcome is eating from the Multiple Villains tree. Knowing that a series will go that route is like hearing a previously decent band describe the next album as "their Sgt. Pepper," or whatever the best tip-off is that cocaine's on the mixing board and we're all in for something bloated.

I say turn Batman evil and psychotic. Make Oldman the hero, sympathetic to Batman because of his past help, but single-mindedly focused on reigning him in.

but that's just using the 'two face' story again, really.

The biggest temptation to be overcome is eating from the Multiple Villains tree.

They already did that, tho, in TDK. It worked because the stories were linked-up nicely in the script (unlike other attempts at multiple villian films, e.g. Nos. 2 -- 4 of the old Batman franchise).

But generally I agree with you.

I actually don't think it worked that well. Two Face was give fairly short shrift. Don't think we'll be seeing a third movie for a few years anyway.

Just hoping they don't let Cookie Monster dub his vocals for Batman again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2yv8aT0UFc

The multiple villain thing in "Batman Returns" was great. (well, hero/antihero/villain)

oh wait, Christopher Walken was there too so there were multiple villains

didn't think it worked, tbh. didn't give two face enough time to develop, especially as he was so central to the drama at the end. he just had a tough scene and turned evil.

Yeah, I thought Dent's transformation to Two-Face was the least credible thing in TDK.

Alongside the idea that Joker had somehow planned it beforehand that he would transform like that.

apart from the flying bat billionaire ninja, i assume. xp

I've found its best not to start thinking too hard into how Joker pulled that complicated scheme together, especially the jailbreak, as it involves holes large enough to drive a semi through. Still love the movie to pieces though.

There's different levels of credibility. Even if it's a fantasy, you have to convince the viewer that what happens is credible within the boundaries of this particular fantasy. Bruce Wayne's transformation in Batman Begins feels believable because so much time and justification is devoted to it. Compared to that, Dent's transformation in TDK feels rushed and random, not quite as believable.

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joker jailbreak the big one. but yeah it's still great stuff.

Dent's transformation into Two-Face is being wholly overblown by ppl familiar with the comic books IMO; all he was was a pissed-off dude with a burned face who was exacting vengeance on the ppl he thought were responsible for his fiancee's death.

That's true, it wasn't as if he immediately became this "Two Face" personality.

He did start throwing the coin and thinking justice is random, didn't he? Also, Joker's plan seemed to depend on Dent becoming crazy in a way that would taint his former reputation, which means Joker is helluva planner.

when is joker NOT portrayed as a helluva intricate planner to the point of complete ridicness?

Most of the time, at least in comics. Being crazy prepared is Batman's attribute, not really Joker's.

are you talking about the same joker who schemed to become iran's ambassador to the UN so he could gas everyone and yet claim diplomatic immunity

maybe they'd make the riddler another rich high tech playboy dude but instead of an insane vigilante he's a goofball who steals stuff, i'd be into that

― goole, Friday, 24 July 2009 16:24 Bookmark

This could be really cool, and it would be a different twist on the "how good are Gotham's people really" theme - now testing whether their fascination with Batman has more to do with the fact that he fights crime or the fact that he's freaky and exotic. Fabulous, winking, quipping playboy Riddler, while robbing banks and so on, ends up being more popular than Batman!

(Could also take the opportunity to talk about the shit economy, people being fed up with fat cats = guy who robs banks is a kind of folk-heroic Robin Hood.)

Also kind of like the Die Hard 3 idea, just as a way of making the riddles less inexplicable...

The real challenge of course is the pressure to do another "serious" film after #2, but having not so many pressing issues left to cover that fit well under the Bat umbrella. TDK kind of covered most of the really interesting ground, it's gonna be hard not to just descend into the mythos and tell internally interesting but globally uncompelling stories with the characters.

http://nooneknowswhatitslike.ytmnd.com/

Sure this further ruined the song for me and I'll never unhear it, but it's not like I was gonna listen to "Who's Next" again anyway, right?

or i guess the third one is more LA and pittsburgh?

what happened to gotham's monorail between the first and second movies

"derailed, we decided not to rebuild, we just had the one train"

It's funny, I think I've seen each of these movies only one time. Maybe I've seen the second one twice? I thought/think they were fine to good, and yet yesterday, out of nowhere, I got the sudden urge to watch them again. No idea why. Maybe I will!

third one is blatantly NYC, they don't try to hide it at all! major setpiece on the Queensboro Bridge, etc.

just as a warning the first one in particular feels really old now (which i guess it is)

20 years!

it definitely looks like new york, i just googled shooting locations and it showed more pittsburgh and LA than NYC

the ledger performance is still impressive, but once i started seeing the joker as a bruce mcculloch character (the voice and the tongue stuff in particular) it was hard to stop

Joker fans aren't made, they are BORN

The Science Museum in London showed the three Nolan films on their IMAX screen as a very loose Halloween tie-in recently. Because Batman is spooky. Sadly they've run out of IMAX films. This month they have Dunkirk and Inception, next month they have Interstellar, which has sold out.

I saw the Nolan Batman films once each at the cinema and haven't revisited them. I remember being impressed with the way they made such ridiculous material feel like an grounded police action film, and how they managed to feel like Se7en despite the stylised violence and total lack of blood. Anne Hathaway as Catwoman felt like a big deal at the time, because she was everywhere, but she has a fairly minor role in the final film, and she didn't play the character after that.

I'm old enough to remember when Frank Miller's The Dark Knight came out. Back then the general consensus was the Clint Eastwood would be fantastic as Batman, but he'd never do it because there's no way anyone was going to make a serious Batman film. Forty years later he's still alive! There is still time. Unless he died earlier today and the news hasn't been released yet.

You can add Batman to the list of roles that Clint Eastwood would have been good at but never had a chance to play, including Judge Dredd, H R Haldeman, and (insert deliberately parochial comedy example here).