"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

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... oops, that hasn't happened in years.

Was Hitler a Hobbit? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 April 2022 14:22 (four years ago)

Thanks to everyone who has read or shared this. I don’t even feel I’ve accurately described the horror of the last 4 weeks https://t.co/T4toXpxcRr

— maintenant, la revanche (@judeinlondon2) April 21, 2022

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2022 09:45 (four years ago)

it is such a grim story -- i hugely admire how well she has kept things together over the last couple of months in particular but of course no one should have to facing this unsupported

mark s, Thursday, 21 April 2022 09:54 (four years ago)

yes it's been very sad and worrying to watch, she has incredible strength, and this is the kind of reportage that ought to be at the centre of the national news cycle but it isn't about celebrity parties so

Number One shlong in Devon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 April 2022 09:57 (four years ago)

There is also a couple of other things she didn't get to mention (her own health and her mother's) but that you know from a follow.

Imagine how many are going through even half of this and aren't at all supported and don't have an outlet either.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2022 10:13 (four years ago)

a very sad story, she's having truly awful time + her courage is inspiring. It's a story which I'm becoming increasingly familiar with in the last decade. I'm just about to find out how useful or utterly bad my local LD health support service is as I have a problem or two at the moment. As in a 20 yr old autistic son who has sort of disappeared off the system post 16 and is now having daily violent/self harming episodes and attacking staff at college and to top it off my partner is developing MS dementia. But, lol at least I'm not Ed Balls!

calzino, Thursday, 21 April 2022 10:15 (four years ago)

there was a decent (by R4 standards) report on the increasing amount of autistic people banged up in grim NHS "assessment centres" for long periods, this fucking country.

calzino, Thursday, 21 April 2022 10:27 (four years ago)

Calzino I am so sorry - but yes, at least you are not Ed fucking Balls!

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2022 10:32 (four years ago)

no I've never tried to pass off some Jamie Oliver.com mediocrities as my own recipes in a bid to start a TV chef career, but that is right at the bottom of his crime sheet!

calzino, Thursday, 21 April 2022 10:38 (four years ago)

you show me some dire New Labour flop who puts fucking chargrilled broccoli in their salad and I will confirm to you they are NOT a "big beast". Stafford Cripps ate raw uncooked vegetables, straight out of the soil. Although he was probably a cunt as well but at least he wasn't Ed Balls.

calzino, Thursday, 21 April 2022 11:22 (four years ago)

Surely greatest UK Chancellor ever?

the pinefox, Thursday, 21 April 2022 12:23 (four years ago)

Welcome back Calz, sorry things are so difficult, I am very angry on your behalf (and so many others') for whatever fraction of sod all that's worth.

Tim, Thursday, 21 April 2022 12:24 (four years ago)

(xp) The tiniest for sure.

Was Hitler a Hobbit? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 April 2022 12:37 (four years ago)

thanks Tim, no shame in getting fp'ed off a Marvel fan site:p

Oh like Cripps and no doubt he did some good work during the reconstruction years and got kicked out of Labour for being a commie, so definitely worthy of respect. I just feel it has become obligatory to call anyone connected to the PLP a cnut these days - all Kieth's fault of course!

calzino, Thursday, 21 April 2022 12:42 (four years ago)

(xp) Oops I thought that was an ironic comment on Sunak, but that's not really pinefox's style.

Was Hitler a Hobbit? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 April 2022 12:52 (four years ago)

Some dispute over whether Churchill actually said about Cripps, "There, but for the grace of God, goes God." Good story though.

Was Hitler a Hobbit? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 April 2022 12:54 (four years ago)

"As a child who was smacked by their parents from time to time, I don't think it did me any harm."

Lammy as the de facto minister for violence against children won't be happy with Wes stealing his thunder here.

calzino, Thursday, 21 April 2022 13:13 (four years ago)

One that Wes will appreciate:

Mike Tyson punched somebody who was Fn with him……. The problem is nowadays, MFs think they WON’T get punched in the Face…

— ICE T (@FINALLEVEL) April 21, 2022

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 April 2022 19:35 (four years ago)

really if Wes believes in evidence-based policies he needs somebody to keep giving him a smack so we can work out the point at which it does do you harm

Number One shlong in Devon (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 April 2022 19:38 (four years ago)

scumbags like Lammy and Wes just wade into this "debate" that isn't a debate like talksport presenters. I'd rather eat a pound of rat poison than vote for this party.

calzino, Thursday, 21 April 2022 23:18 (four years ago)

Maybe this is cos I'm a lefty dinosaur who doesn't understand how politics works and wants the Tories to win but I don't think anybody of good will should be engaging with scum like Times Radio and I don't see how not engaging with them would cost the Labour Party even one vote

This is all hypothetical mind cos no way I'm voting for them ever again either

Number One shlong in Devon (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 April 2022 06:50 (four years ago)

This is the main reason why Sunak is fucked.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61157856

xyzzzz__, Friday, 22 April 2022 10:28 (four years ago)

Got to keep the show on the road..

xyzzzz__, Friday, 22 April 2022 10:46 (four years ago)

Grace Blakeley joining the Talk TV panel is another futile or possibly even outright craven careerist move that will do absolutely fuck all to advance left-wing causes but will perhaps advance the Grace Blakely brand. You don't win any arguments on a panel with TND on Murdoch tv, or even if you seem slightly less an evil bastard than the other panellists you are still pissing in the wind or at worst being a useful stooge. I'd say anyone who goes from a public school education to a think tank to a media career is a textbook melt and not genuinely going to have the same interests of the increasing section of society with diminishing standards of living. I'd believe she was going on the Murdoch payroll to advance the class struggle lol, but I wasn't born yesterday.

I presume Corbyn was expecting a stitch up so I don't really understand why he walks into it in a Murdoch media building where another presenter is boasting on air that he wanted to punch him out in the foyer.

calzino, Friday, 22 April 2022 11:07 (four years ago)

Corbyn will speak to most as a one-off to try and advance arguments that he believes in. That could speak to a weakness tactically but as a backbench MP -- whose experience he always carried with him even when he was leader -- it's pretty much ok I reckon.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 22 April 2022 11:19 (four years ago)

And as a backbencher who is probably on his way out of parliament. Don't know whether he'll stand as an independent at the next election.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 22 April 2022 11:21 (four years ago)

i was thinking of Streeting of course and forgot Crombine had been interviewed this week

i still wouldn't play ball with the cunts, as a missionary or otherwise

Number One shlong in Devon (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 April 2022 11:27 (four years ago)

Grace Blakeley joining the Talk TV panel is another futile or possibly even outright craven careerist move that will do absolutely fuck all to advance left-wing causes but will perhaps advance the Grace Blakely brand. You don't win any arguments on a panel with TND on Murdoch tv, or even if you seem slightly less an evil bastard than the other panellists you are still pissing in the wind or at worst being a useful stooge. I'd say anyone who goes from a public school education to a think tank to a media career is a textbook melt and not genuinely going to have the same interests of the increasing section of society with diminishing standards of living. I'd believe she was going on the Murdoch payroll to advance the class struggle lol, but I wasn't born yesterday.

I presume Corbyn was expecting a stitch up so I don't really understand why he walks into it in a Murdoch media building where another presenter is boasting on air that he wanted to punch him out in the foyer.

Not really that different from Diane Abbott sitting having the piss taken out of her by Andrew Neil and Michael Portillo for years on end.

Was Hitler a Hobbit? (Tom D.), Friday, 22 April 2022 11:34 (four years ago)

They never quite did it to her face, did they?

Mark G, Friday, 22 April 2022 12:00 (four years ago)

while i broadly agree re: Diane Abbott i think you could still just about argue there is significant difference doing this on BBC1 than doing it on some Murdoch micro hate network

Number One shlong in Devon (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 April 2022 12:19 (four years ago)

Think it depends on the quality of the person appearing? Again, far more mainstream, but Ash Sarkar, Moya L-M etc handing Piers Morgan's ass to him on GMB, or even just appearing on Vine or whatever, has done a fair bit to normalise left wing viewpoints, if not to advance the class struggle. Grace admittedly isn't up to that standard quite yet.

Piedie Gimbel, Friday, 22 April 2022 12:30 (four years ago)

Sarkar will appear on a show now and then. Blakeley will have to appear every single week to offer some kind of token progressive take on whatever is happening. Can't see a good end to that.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 22 April 2022 12:45 (four years ago)

in S1 of the latest fun bbc hitler series Ash did a fair job as a commenter on the German communist party, but it seems they didn't invite her back for Season 2. They got that horrendous blowhard Kasparov in as the Soviet Union eggspurt and it was unwatchable. There was lots of other annoying bullshit in it but he really ruined it. Perhaps that is an indication of how popular she is with BBC bosses.

calzino, Friday, 22 April 2022 13:17 (four years ago)

can't afford food? bag of pasta 5p. landlord physically assaulting you? must've not paid your rent. privatised rail extortionate? actually I think you'll find that's an open return and do you expect the taxpayer to fund your travel? welcome to britain and things can't get better

— pez (@periuspb) April 22, 2022

xyzzzz__, Friday, 22 April 2022 14:14 (four years ago)

the cost to make a plate of basic supermarket tagliatelle into something approaching a nutritious meal - considerably more than fucking 5p! hah Burnham getting dismissed as a utopian populist for calling for a policy most of the country wants sort of reveals the limits of how much democracy the commentariat will put up with, and also probably the limits of Burnham really. Unless he actually is evolving into a different kind of politician than the bullshitting weathercock from the '15 leadership election.

calzino, Friday, 22 April 2022 14:55 (four years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQ9b2iMXIAE-SVu?format=jpg&name=small

lol, who needs unaffordable trains when you've got zoom.

calzino, Friday, 22 April 2022 16:05 (four years ago)

The train system here in the UK is truly baffling for anyone coming from Europe, I know doing this "where I'm from it's normal to have things be good" thing is nagl but it's truly stunning how fucked the UK is on this.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 22 April 2022 16:18 (four years ago)

all these people effectively defending a dysfunctional and nationally loathed railway system that is even becoming too expensive for some of the polprofs who are attacking Burnham, they are cracked. If he'd booked in advance, it would have been £250. Shit, I can remember paying well under a hundred for a 2 adults 1 child for a Nauman exhibition about 15 years ago. I don't know if I'm remembering this wrong, but I think the adult day returns were around £30.

calzino, Friday, 22 April 2022 16:49 (four years ago)

As someone who uses the railways to travel to and from the north fairly regularly it's true that if you are booking a ticket online these almost comically extortionate high end prices are always flagged up, but who the fuck ever takes any notice of them? Does anyone ever buy these tickets? I don't know why the train companies even bother with them. Here's a tip, if you're travelling north from London, you can usually get a train to Crewe for £9 (ditto return journey). Of course the train companies will still try and screw you by bumping up the price for any subsequent journey you might have to take from Crewe or else they'll make sure you can't make connections in time.

Was Hitler a Hobbit? (Tom D.), Friday, 22 April 2022 18:39 (four years ago)

This is the thing though, rail is private so the companies that run it screw a lot of ppl over. Online prices for journeys across Euro countries are so much cheaper.

Obv there is a lot of horror at what Burnham got in his replies but twitter can really aggregate a lot of Armed Forces/Blitz Tories and weirdos. Polling is pretty consistent on what should happen to these companies. Not that it will.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 22 April 2022 18:57 (four years ago)

if you need to take a train somewhere at late notice those prices come into play. so basically targeting people with family emergencies, job interviews etc. the fact that most of the time most people will take action (sometimes complicated action) to avoid paying those prices is not really the gotcha that the pissants shouting at Burnham think it is

Number One shlong in Devon (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 April 2022 19:39 (four years ago)

also the cost of commuter tickets looks insane to me, maybe people should travel to and from work during off peak hours idk

Number One shlong in Devon (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 April 2022 19:40 (four years ago)

Lots of the people who travel last minute are on expenses and because that is a circular Venn with well-off people who could get results if agitating for cheaper rail (but don’t because some third party is paying) they really don’t see the problem.

the thin blue lying (suzy), Friday, 22 April 2022 21:04 (four years ago)

Yes, I suspected that was the case.

Was Hitler a Hobbit? (Tom D.), Friday, 22 April 2022 21:17 (four years ago)

I once heard from a big beast expert that there is no shame in a bb totally shitting out at the prospect of an anything slightly harder than easy challenge.

calzino, Friday, 22 April 2022 22:25 (four years ago)

This is so unrepresentative of the private rental sector that it may as well be fake news lmao. https://t.co/wHfnJ6mSKs

— Ash Sarkar (@AyoCaesar) April 23, 2022

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 23 April 2022 10:29 (four years ago)

There's a thread for this sort of shite from the Guardian. I would imagine the purpose of this article is to reassure those numerous Guardian readers who are also landlords that they are not scumbags after all when, of course, we know they are.

Was Hitler a Hobbit? (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 April 2022 11:34 (four years ago)

from the Oliver Eagleton book:

Previous DPP Ken Macdonald: Hey let's get this young hotshot human rights lawyer called Kieth in to advise on this case of the anti-GRT hate mob in Firle who have been burning effigies of gypsy children in a caravan with the reg-plate PIKEY 1 and possibly also involved in arson attacks on the local travelling communities. Surely a strong case for incitement to racial hatred.

Young hotshot human rights lawyer called Kieth: No their actions were not intended to stoke prejudice, nor serious enough to merit legal sanction, scrap the charges.

calzino, Saturday, 23 April 2022 11:43 (four years ago)

this "PIKEY 1" caravan with the effigies was paraded through the village before being ignited by molotov cocktails.

calzino, Saturday, 23 April 2022 11:53 (four years ago)


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