Silicon Valley Techno-Utopianism

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Once a company reaches a certain size, you get a number of employees where their role isn’t easily connected to what the company actually sells, and bizarre corporate sloganeering pops up. I think the majority of people at non-startups just kind of passively ignore it, but there are outliers who latch on to that internal marketing to justify their work lives

My impression is that startups, especially ones that don’t turn a profit, push that company culture bit a lot harder because the company doesn’t necessarily do anything yet!

mh, Sunday, 10 April 2022 15:12 (four years ago)

i just wonder about the people who buy into it. the followers, as it were. otoh ... idk why i have trouble accepting this since Hitler and Trump but ... sometimes i have to be reminded

sarahell, Sunday, 10 April 2022 17:15 (four years ago)

I think the majority of people at non-startups just kind of passively ignore it

yeah, this attitude I understand ... like, clerks at Walgreens don't seem really gung-ho about "Team Walgreens"

sarahell, Sunday, 10 April 2022 17:19 (four years ago)

Companies regularly place more demands on their workers than even a good, conscientious worker can satisfy. I always figured if I delivered somewhere between 90% and 95% of 'perfection' I was not just earning my pay, but an excellent employee. I totally ignored the motivational hoo-hah and quietly met my own standards.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 10 April 2022 18:36 (four years ago)

I totally ignored the motivational hoo-hah and quietly met my own standards.

Yup.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 10 April 2022 18:44 (four years ago)

Well you're hardly going to get yourself a waffle party with that attitude, are you?

kinder, Sunday, 10 April 2022 18:46 (four years ago)

I feel better already.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 10 April 2022 18:48 (four years ago)

;) I'm enjoying Severance

kinder, Sunday, 10 April 2022 18:50 (four years ago)

Having a couple of times in my life been around cultish professors or bosses and gotten taken in by them (though nothing to those extremes) I found myself kind of willingly suspending disbelief just because (1) it was sort of fun and (2) it can be self-serving to do so, since true believers tend to reap benefits. I always maintained a little bit of psychic distance and had almost a split consciousness about it, but I get it.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 10 April 2022 23:49 (four years ago)

Sucks that the main takeaway from Steve Jobs' story is that everyone thinks you have to be an asshole cult leader to be an effective CEO.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 11 April 2022 02:55 (four years ago)

Now speaking of cults

Elon has decided not to join our board. I sent a brief note to the company, sharing with you all here. pic.twitter.com/lfrXACavvk

— Parag Agrawal (@paraga) April 11, 2022

Ned Raggett, Monday, 11 April 2022 03:25 (four years ago)

three months pass...

Perfect.

VC Marc Andreessen has railed against cities like San Francisco for failing to build more housing.

But when his own hyper-rich, manicured SF suburb proposed a zoning change to allow a small number of multifamily homes, Andreessen and his wife wrote this. https://t.co/YzqdfSV20q pic.twitter.com/Aq9HhDpKPk

— Will Oremus (@WillOremus) August 5, 2022

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 5 August 2022 14:59 (three years ago)

the egg man is bad

mh, Friday, 5 August 2022 15:01 (three years ago)

This guy on Hacker News is buying up the entire town of Pine Bluff, Arkansas for reasons that seem unclear even to him. Someone please help him go home to his children pic.twitter.com/6wO0JIyxQ1

— Brooks Otterlake (@i_zzzzzz) August 15, 2022

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 15 August 2022 21:02 (three years ago)

His twitter handle is the same as his username there, it's just post after post of him getting robbed by Pine Bluff tweakers.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 15 August 2022 21:58 (three years ago)

a new wrinkle I didn't see yesterday

oh. pic.twitter.com/TFiddlxQAA

— Amy Hoy (@amyhoy) August 15, 2022

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 15 August 2022 21:59 (three years ago)

Pine Bluff thing is like one of those great, long, self-owning threads slowly documenting a guy's deranged and ill-informed home renovations, or hapless efforts to establish a utopian compound or whatever.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 15 August 2022 22:03 (three years ago)

that falls under the reddit DIY-fail thred or whatever

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 15 August 2022 22:03 (three years ago)

lol great minds xp again

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 15 August 2022 22:03 (three years ago)

twit’s creek

Tracer Hand, Monday, 15 August 2022 22:31 (three years ago)

this is like if something from the SA forums got VC money

mh, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 15:08 (three years ago)

lmao max phoned this guy

https://maxread.substack.com/p/the-man-who-bought-pine-bluff-arkansas

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 21:54 (three years ago)

my "read max" subscription money going to good use

mh, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 22:35 (three years ago)

omg of course he's a utahn

(grim) pump track (wales) (map), Tuesday, 16 August 2022 22:39 (three years ago)

I enjoyed this bit:

New York was terrible, in the ‘80s. Everything they’re saying about Pine Bluff now they were saying about New York in the ‘80s! And I sure wish I could have bought some real estate in New York in the 80s!”

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 09:00 (three years ago)

he comes off more sympathetic in max's interview than I expected, but the initial plan of just buying a huge warehouse for a maker space/entertainment venue/place for his existing businesses without making sure it's close-ish to a population center is wild

a lot of cities have those amenities, so the target market is... people who want to drive 45 minutes from Little Rock to do stuff?

we need pplains in here for the arkansas view

mh, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 14:07 (three years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3c_pJ_CLJQ

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 17 August 2022 15:48 (three years ago)

the initial plan of just buying a huge warehouse for a maker space/entertainment venue/place for his existing businesses without making sure it's close-ish to a population center is wild

it's been done before by various people with various levels of success ... on the one hand you have Las Vegas and the current incarnation of Burning Man ... on the other hand you have this guy, as well as stuff in between like the guy who bought a town in Nevada and then there was a fire that burned like 90% of it ... though that guy had done something similar in an urban area and had gotten displaced, so he had an existing community of people as well as some experience

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 18:40 (three years ago)

I was just randomly reading a reddit thread of purported real estate investors discussing (celebrating really) that arkansas is the most landlord friendly state in the country. Fucking bleak stuff. I believe one of them said it was a crime with jail time to stay in an apartment without paying the rent.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 17 August 2022 19:05 (three years ago)

Texas is also very pro-landlord. Like, if you look at the civil code related to residential tenants and tenants rights, and you are only familiar with the laws in states like California and New York, you would be shocked and/or confused.

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 19:10 (three years ago)

sometimes this site really delivers pic.twitter.com/dJmlYRF4ZZ

— cathode ray theory (@said_mitch) August 18, 2022

(grim) pump track (wales) (map), Thursday, 18 August 2022 21:19 (three years ago)

so apparently the guy who bought a bunch of real estate in that arkansas town has recordings and transcripts from the city meetings where he was trying to pitch his plans on his own website

it's him trying to get someone to walk through and tell him what he'd need to fix, and they keep explaining that it's a change in zoning, he needs plans signed off by an engineer and completed, etc.

I mean, there are areas of the country with less stringent building and occupancy codes, but dude bought a giant warehouse and adjoining buildings and wants to use them for commercial purposes!

mh, Thursday, 18 August 2022 22:04 (three years ago)

it's been done before by various people with various levels of success ... on the one hand you have Las Vegas and the current incarnation of Burning Man ... on the other hand you have this guy, as well as stuff in between like the guy who bought a town in Nevada and then there was a fire that burned like 90% of it ... though that guy had done something similar in an urban area and had gotten displaced, so he had an existing community of people as well as some experience

― sarahell

this is one of the settings for _summer fun_, the trans brian wilson book i'm reading for my book club...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaceport_America

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 18 August 2022 22:46 (three years ago)

I think buying abandoned real estate and attempting to use it as-is is different from building an entertainment city mostly from scratch or building a temporary city in the desert, though? This isn’t “if you build it,” it’s “if I get them to turn electrical service back on” or at least it was until someone stole his walls

Unless we’re not talking about the Arkansas guy

mh, Thursday, 18 August 2022 23:54 (three years ago)

it's him trying to get someone to walk through and tell him what he'd need to fix, and they keep explaining that it's a change in zoning, he needs plans signed off by an engineer and completed, etc.

I mean, there are areas of the country with less stringent building and occupancy codes, but dude bought a giant warehouse and adjoining buildings and wants to use them for commercial purposes!

― mh, Thursday, August 18, 2022 3:04 PM (two hours ago)

this is a lot of what the org I work for does tbh. part of this guy's problem is the way the system works ... like, it is highly unlikely one person will be able to tell him everything he would need to do, and there's a lot of if/then at play ...
if you want this, the process involves x, but if you are willing to do it somewhat differently, you could maybe avoid doing x, but you would have to do y.
the existing structure / condition / etc of the building would need to be determined to meet certain criteria in order for him to do x, but a licensed engineer would have to actually do a study and calculations and find out if it does meet those criteria. If it does, then the process involves x, if it doesn't, then, before you can even think about doing x, you would need to do z, and maybe, instead of doing z and then doing x, you might want to re-think the whole thing ...

sarahell, Friday, 19 August 2022 00:46 (three years ago)

yes, the absolutely basic thing is to make a proposed plan, and hire an engineer

he seemed to just show up to meetings and propose completely different things every time with no blueprints or engineering assessment, just “hey guys but can I do this instead”

I mean, the way the system works may be convoluted beyond that, but that’s entry level “how do I shot occupancy”

also every time he describes the site it reminds me of an EPA superfund site in my city that’s getting slowly developed with so many caveats

mh, Friday, 19 August 2022 03:09 (three years ago)

"an" engineer ... dude, you might need structural, mechanical, and civil engineers depending on the project ...

sarahell, Friday, 19 August 2022 03:39 (three years ago)

generally, the first person you go to is an architect

sarahell, Friday, 19 August 2022 03:40 (three years ago)

yes

mh, Friday, 19 August 2022 12:59 (three years ago)

move fast and break stuff amirite

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 19 August 2022 14:54 (three years ago)

everyone otm re pine bluff itt. ((man alive also getting points for knowing about the state's criminal, not civil, penalties against renters (which is a whole other subject.))

I can't talk about Pine Bluff. It's sad, it's tragic, it's a whole damn city that's dying a slow death.

But man. I won't say I enjoyed that man's misfortunes, but I sure did enjoy reading about them.

pplains, Friday, 2 September 2022 03:35 (three years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/4M7pRYt.jpg

A few years ago, the paper had a story featuring the mayor pointing at different piles of rubble in town, going "You see this shit?"

pplains, Friday, 2 September 2022 03:37 (three years ago)

I know, I know, in the UK they point at potholes.

pplains, Friday, 2 September 2022 03:38 (three years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/GODvMDN.png

Town so damn broke, the mcdonalds only got one arch

pplains, Friday, 2 September 2022 03:41 (three years ago)

That's some pretty impressive rubble.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 2 September 2022 03:43 (three years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55lqCerTvVA

CEDELL SAID COME ON DOWN.

pplains, Friday, 2 September 2022 03:43 (three years ago)

A few years ago, the paper had a story featuring the mayor pointing at different piles of rubble in town, going "You see this shit?"

― pplains, Thursday, September 1, 2022 8:37 PM (two days ago)

she should visit Oakland! So many piles of rubble to point at!

sarahell, Sunday, 4 September 2022 04:47 (three years ago)

three weeks pass...

the parallel valleys https://t.co/RxD3iB2vlo pic.twitter.com/4o7Ush2J1V

— kate conger (@kateconger) September 26, 2022

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 26 September 2022 23:02 (three years ago)

They finally put this genius on the 10 o'clock news:
https://www.kark.com/news/local-news/theft-causing-problems-for-man-wanting-to-bring-science-museum-to-pine-bluff/

science-museum and pine-bluff in the same url. I finally lived to see the day.

pplains, Saturday, 1 October 2022 02:51 (three years ago)

one month passes...

Elizabeth Holmes gets 11-year sentence.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-scammer-11-years-prison-1234630584/

nickn, Friday, 18 November 2022 22:56 (three years ago)


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