ok what the fuck is happening in ukraine

That was more of a worry when the attack was on, I suspect.

Whereas the latter giving away the former's location is only to be encouraged.

He emits a slime trail that can he tracked by satellite

So Putin has appointed Gen. Aleksander Dvornikov (“the Butcher of Syria”) as chief commander. He’s had lots of practice reducing cities to rubble, deploying chemical weapons, and generally overseeing the wholesale slaughter of civilians in Chechnya and Syria. That’s the basic boilerplate I've been seeing in multiple reports today. Does this guy have any particular strategic talents beyond these points?

Hope the Ukrainians figure out his cell phone provider.

At what point does the US say fuck it and get soldiers on the ground?

you're welcome to think that way, but "fuck it, let's go to war" is (**checks notes**) abysmally stupid.

I agree that it’s stupid. It’s just agonizing that no one is stepping in in a real way.

An interesting example of orientalism (a variation on the theme of 'Russians have a slavish mentality whereas Ukrainians are freedom-loving'). Probably would not be worth debunking but lest people say I don't spend enough time on this platform, let's take a look... https://t.co/0qDETrAUR8

— Sergey Radchenko (@DrRadchenko) April 13, 2022

And in Poland..

Ukrainian women who were raped by Russians and left to Poland cannot have abortions there. Under Polish law, abortion is allowed in case of rape, but there is no criminal case yet
Psychologists in Poland are convincing her that a new life is wonderful. They destroys lives of both

— Oleksandra Matviichuk (@avalaina) April 13, 2022

Russia has also defaulted on its debt.

It's a terrible situation. Thankfully, there are volunteers in Poland already offering to drive women seeking abortions to Berlin and back.

Also bad.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/13/stop-matching-lone-female-ukraine-refugees-with-single-men-uk-told

I don't really get the point of your incessant "the rest of Europe is no angel either" posts

https://www.rfu2022.org/en/

Here is a link to the volunteer organization I mentioned upthread (offering round trips to Berlin for pregnant rape victims to get an abortion can be added to the below listing of what they do):

Since February 26, we have been meeting refugees at Ukrainian border crossings into Poland. We work as collective and our team consists of translators, lawyers, social workers, psychologists, drivers and porters. We collect and dispatch humanitarian aid, arrange all of its logistics, evacute people out of Ukraine and help them find shelter in safe countries.

There are also multiple links/options there for anyone looking to donate.

I don't really get the point of your incessant "the rest of Europe is no angel either" posts

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 13 April 2022 bookmarkflaglink

Is that what you are getting out of the links I am posting about Ukrainians fleeing war?

Yup.

I guess we have to start a new thread for things that happen to Ukrainians in other countries

I don't really get the point of your incessant "the rest of Europe is no angel either" posts

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 13 April 2022 bookmarkflaglink

Lol

“ok what the fuck is happening in counties that are not Ukraine, but involves people fleeing the war in Ukraine and also politicians reacting to the situation in Ukraine, but not Ukrainian politicians or people in Ukraine.”

Well it was a huge issue that MoominTrollin was making good posts here about Russia for reasons I'm not clear on

He was not FAP-approved

Further argument won't help, judging by history of this wartorn thread.

"huge issue" lol gtfo, a couple of people rolled their eyes at the copypasta, that's it

The eye-rolling will continue no matter what, but will subside to a tolerable minimum without unnecessary provocation. And if not, well, it's better to be on the side of constructive discussions re: Ukraine goings on and not on the side of gleefully shitting up the thread. People may have differing opinions on what constitutes what, of course (see above).

Speaking from personal experience - no one will give you a medal for resisting temptation and not zinging but your efforts in the service of furthering productive conversation will still make for a richer life than being a cackling shitgoblin.

Well it was a huge issue that MoominTrollin was making good posts here about Russia for reasons I'm not clear on

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 13 April 2022 bookmarkflaglink

So much to be wrong about in one day.

Meanwhile, quite a few Ukraine refugees at the US-Mexico border---10,000 registered at one San Diego area shelter (good luck with the Eyes of Texas, people) https://www.npr.org/2022/04/13/1092091451/ukrainians-have-arrived-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-by-the-thousands

Is that what you are getting out of the links I am posting about Ukrainians fleeing war?

― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, April 13, 2022 2:14 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Also about unfair characterizations of Russia and unfair treatment of Russian classical music iirc

The cultural Boycott of Russian cultural work that has nothing to do with Putin is worth noting here, as it is bundled up with other types of sanctions.

A thread on the significance of Viktor Medvedchuk's capture by Ukraine, announced last night. Medvedchuk, who is a close personal friend of Putin, fled house arrest after Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb 24, and had been in hiding since. 1/16https://t.co/LqMfPhRmSe pic.twitter.com/ngDKoPWGql

— Zoya Sheftalovich (@zoyashef) April 13, 2022

Quite the checkered past:

https://neweasterneurope.eu/2017/06/07/the-trump-campaign-and-putin-s-agents-of-influence-the-case-of-viktor-medvedchuk/

The Russian Navy’s Black Sea flagship has suffered major damage and the crew has abandoned the ship, state media said late Tuesday in reports following Ukrainian claims of hitting the ship with a missile strike.

The Russian Defense Ministry confirmed the mishap on RTS Moskva (121), a ship in the country’s Black Sea Fleet, according to state-run outlet TASS.

The crew of the Moskva the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet was severely damaged and the crew abandoned ship, the Russian Defense Ministry told TASS.

A fire broke out on the ship, causing ammunition to detonate, according to TASS. State media did not elaborate on the cause of the fire.

Oh yeah, that Russian warship, The Guardian reminds me:

Russian warship famously defied by Ukrainian troops on Snake Island seriously damaged after strike in Black Sea

US President Joe Biden earlier announced an additional $800m in military assistance to Ukraine including heavy artillery ahead of a wider Russian assault expected in eastern Ukraine.

The package, which brings the total military aid since Russian forces invaded in February to more than $2.5 billion, includes artillery systems, artillery rounds, armoured personnel carriers and unmanned coastal defence boats, Biden said in a statement after a phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy.

...he new package includes 11 Mi-17 helicopters and 18 155mm howitzers, along with 40,000 artillery rounds, counter-artillery radars, 200 armoured personnel carriers and 300 additional Switchblade drones.

It will be the first time howitzers have been provided to Ukraine by the United States.

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said some of the systems, like the howitzers and radars, will require additional training for Ukrainian forces not accustomed to using American military equipment.

“We’re aware of the clock and we know time is not our friend,” Kirby said when asked about the speed of deliveries.

It seems Finland and Sweden are on track to possibly joining NATO. It also seems clear that Putin places a higher priority on getting a chunk of Ukraine over whatever happens with NATO expansion. That looks like a big problem with the Mearsheimer view that Russia's invasion was all about NATO expansion.

Well, this new username is barely a day old and NOW you say this.

Going to have to try to fit "If NATO expansion lasts more than 4-6 hours, call your general" within the Procrustean bed of ILX character limits.

pretty sure Putin's intentions before the invasion don't exactly match his current intentions

Pretty sure Putin didn't see any of this coming.

From Moscow Times---Guardian and others also reporting:

A stretch of Russian railroad near the Ukrainian border was destroyed on Tuesday morning, the region’s governor announced.

The destroyed railroad comes after several Russian border regions including Belgorod raised their “terror” threat level to “yellow,” the second-highest in a three-tier system, as Russia’s nearly seven-week invasion of Ukraine shifts its focus toward eastern Ukraine.

Special-operations unit destroys bridge in Kharkiv region as Russian convoy crosses, claims Ukraine
From CNN's Olga Voitovych in Lviv

A Ukraine special-operations unit destroyed a bridge as a Russian convoy crossed it while it headed toward Izium in southeastern Kharkiv region, the Command of the Special Operations Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine claimed in a statement Thursday.
...The statement claimed that the Ukrainian unit destroyed the bridge with an explosive charge as a convoy of a Tiger armored vehicle and several trucks crossed it.

CNN could not independently verify the claim. Ukrainian forces destroyed a key bridge in the Kyiv region to slow the advance of Russian forces in the opening days of the war.

Investigating a bridge before crossing it seems like War 101 to me but

Whoops

Russia’s defense ministry admits the Moskva cruiser, the flagship of its Black Sea fleet, has sunk.

They claim there was an explosion from a munitions accident on board and it sank in a storm.

Ukraine says it managed to sink the ship in a missile strike.https://t.co/EyBwFZS3SE

— max seddon (@maxseddon) April 14, 2022

How to troll

Russian warship, what are you sinking?

— Ukraine / Україна (@Ukraine) April 14, 2022

the Moskva entered service in the early 1980s according to Russian media.

Seems like a lot of Russian military shit is super old

Not just the military shit:

Thirty years later, over a half of Russia’s top ruling elites are individuals who, through their career trajectories or families, belonged to the privileged classes of Soviet elites, which during the Soviet era constituted only 1%-3% of the population.

Long Soviet Shadows: The Nomenklatura Ties of Putin Elites
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4012474

Russia Is Leaking Data Like a Sieve
Ukraine claims to have doxed Russian troops and spies, while hacktivists are regularly leaking private information from Russian organizations.

Also using Ukraine cell phone towers for field communications: being seeing reports of that from the beginning.

The sinking of Russia’s ‘Moskva’ cruiser is a big symbolic win for Ukraine, but does very little to change the course of the war.

Experts NatSec Daily spoke to since the Kremlin confirmed the news say the Slava-class ship had minimal land-attack capability and was fitted with dated systems. Its main utility was gunning Ukrainian lands like Snake Island — a replaceable capability — taking on carrier strike groups, and protecting nearby Russian ships with its air defenses. The sinking helps explain why other Russian vessels stationed near Ukraine moved further from shore.

The Moskva, then, was never crucial to Russian President VLADIMIR PUTIN’s war plans, even if it was the Black Sea Fleet’s flagship. The loss is “pretty embarrassing but otherwise not that significant,” said MICHAEL KOFMAN, an expert on Russia’s military at the CNA think tank in Arlington, Va.

But we should think about the Moskva’s demise the same way actor HELEN MIRREN views QUEEN ELIZABETH II’s role in Britain: “Never underestimate the value of a symbol.”

Ukrainian forces sinking the Black Sea flagship with two Neptune missiles, as a senior U.S. defense official told NatSec Daily today, punctures the narrative of a strong Russian force that will eventually win the war it started last month. It’ll also boost the morale of Ukrainian troops and citizens who, despite fiercely resisting Russian advances, have endured horror after horror.

“A symbolic victory does matter,” said retired U.S. Navy Capt. STEVEN HORRELL, a former naval intelligence officer now at the Center for European Policy Analysis think tank in Washington, D.C. It further lets officials in Kyiv know that if Russia’s best air-defense ship is that vulnerable to a few missiles and drones, then its entire naval force is also assailable, Horrell added.

The most immediate effect, it seems, is that Russia intends to retaliate fiercely for the indignity.

"The number and scale of missile strikes on targets in Kyiv will increase in response to any terrorist attacks or acts of sabotage on Russian territory committed by the Kyiv nationalist regime," Russia's Maj. Gen. IGOR KONASHENKOV said in a Friday statement.

The Kremlin said it struck a missile factory in Kyiv, and that it had captured the Ilyich steel works plant in the besieged southeastern city of Mariupol. Moscow added that its villages in the Belgorod region bordering Ukraine had been hit by Ukrainian shelling. Meanwhile, Ukraine said it had repelled Russian offensives in the towns of Popasna and Rubizhne, north of Mariupol.

more: https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2022/04/15/on-the-moskva-think-like-helen-mirren-00025585

Interesting that they waited this long to strike the missile factory... not sure I buy that

Also, it's like "no, the ship wasn't sunk by a missile, but we'll retaliate anyway by bombing their missile factory".. sounds like hogwash

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/18/russia-ukraine-war-missiles-00026102

While the response to Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has not been uniform within the Russian QAnon community, with some followers supporting the war, the largest channels have been conspicuous in opposing it, the Bellingcat investigation found.

The anti-war stance comes as a surprise given the QAnon channel’s avowed pro-Kremlin stance in the past. But like many Russians, the channel’s administrator appears to have been taken by surprise by the invasion.

“Nothing will happen,” the channel’s admin wrote a week before the invasion began. “There will definitely be no war. Ukraine and Russia are one and the same people.”

Update on sanctions and supply chain disruption:

Rare glimpses of honesty from senior Russian officials. (Another 🧵 on sanctions.)

Elvira Nabiullina, head of the Central Bank: logistical blockade hurts even more than financial sanctions. Supply chains are broken. (1/11)

— Ilya Matveev (@IlyaMatveev_) April 19, 2022