Organizers of the New School Laurie Anderson-Zorn-Glass etc. Ukraine benefit concert (Friday 11) turned it into a free event, refunding tickets and suggesting donations to:
Save the Childrenhttps://support.savethechildren.org/site/Donation2?df_id=5751&mfc_pref=T&5751.donation=form1
International Rescue Committee https://help.rescue.org/donate/ukraine-acq
Razomhttps://razomforukraine.org/
― dow, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 03:48 (four years ago)
From USA Today round-up, quoting "a senior U.S. Defense Department source": The attack over the weekend on the Yavoriv military training base in western Ukraine consisted of dozens of cruise missiles launched by Russian bombers inside Russian airspace, the official said. The attack from a distance, the official said, showed that a no-fly zone over Ukraine sought by the battered nation would not necessarily prevent Russia from assaulting by air.
There were no U.S. troops, contractors or citizens at the base when the missiles struck, the official said. Florida National Guard troops had trained Ukrainian forces there, but left the base before the Russian invasion. At least 35 people died in the attack.Russia, despite its advantages in warplanes, has not dominated Ukrainian airspace, the official said. Yeah but missiles.
― dow, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 04:16 (four years ago)
Ok.
Macron decided to turn up to work in a pair of jeans and a French paratroopers hoodie to be more like Zelensky. pic.twitter.com/pYivvXwOga— Sam Street (@samstreetwrites) March 14, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 13:40 (four years ago)
how are the french so bad at jeans
― adam, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 14:24 (four years ago)
though i can just barely see the shoes i think they are exactly the shoes i was imagining
― towards fungal computer (harbl), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 14:34 (four years ago)
"tactical boots"
levis from the levis outlet store are pretty tone deaf and not very practical for all the scrambling and wall scaling he needs to do
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 15:00 (four years ago)
there's a vibe of "my job does not add value to the world and so i will wear something absurd today in a desperate attempt to feel something" that's relatable here imo
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 15:03 (four years ago)
Zelensky speaks via video to Canada, addressing Justin Trudeau as his friend, and appealing to the Ukrainian diaspora.
Czech and Polish leaders visited Zelensky today, I think (or is Kyiv not safe enough for that?).
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 15:47 (four years ago)
And Slovenian PM. Apparently they went rogue, in other words not an official delegation from the EU. I'm wondering about the particulars of the discussion. It's becoming clear that on the current path Poland is set to become a staging point for a years-long insurgency (inserting US/NATO-backed Ukrainian forces) -- I can't imagine that's a very cheerful prospect for Poland, as it puts the country directly in the crosshairs of Russia.
― Sam Weller, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 15:52 (four years ago)
The parallels to WWII remain uncomfortable, but for better or worse there are a lot of major things that have changed since then that could mitigate the menace.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 16:08 (four years ago)
They could also be there to discuss the particulars of the ongoing peace talks. Zelenskiy sounds pretty resigned about the potential for NATO membership but might want to ensure that there is a committed bloc that will push for their future EU membership if the trade off with Russia allows for it.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 16:19 (four years ago)
It's been a small thing in context but it's been pretty great to see Ukrainian-founded/based MacPaw, whose CleanMyMac program I've used for years, keep doing what they've been doing and then some. Twitter feed's worth a look.
https://twitter.com/MacPaw
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 16:29 (four years ago)
i actually needed some such software, thanks Ned!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 17:56 (four years ago)
Yer welcome! Yeah, great support and does the job.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 17:58 (four years ago)
Oh I use that! I didn't realise they were Ukrainian
― Maresn3st, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 18:40 (four years ago)
MacPaw also publishes The Unarchiver (which I use all the time)
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 19:07 (four years ago)
xpost Yup, very much so. Noticed that a few years ago and when everything went down I admit I was pretty concerned, but noticed they were on top of things and then some. Good on 'em.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 20:04 (four years ago)
Readdle is another Ukrainian software corp. They publish PDF Expert among other useful thingshttps://readdle.com
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 22:58 (four years ago)
Also worth considering for xp donations: St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital, which is facilitating evacuations and triage on the ground in Ukraine (The Cancer Letter, March 4, 2022). And others mentioned in this issue: https://cancerletter.com/the-cancer-letter/20220311_1/
― dow, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 01:08 (four years ago)
And, uh, speaking of hospitals:LVIV, Ukraine — Russian troops seized a hospital in Mariupol and took about 500 people hostage during another assault on the southern port city late Tuesday, regional leader Pavlo Kyrylenko said.
Russians troops drove 400 people from neighboring houses into Regional Intensive Care Hospital, Kyrylenko said on the messaging app Telegram. About 100 doctors and patients also are believed to be inside, he said.
The troops are using those inside the hospital as human shields and are not allowing anyone to leave, he said. Might be some more extensive accounts, but this is the latest post I've seen:https://www.marketwatch.com/story/russian-troops-take-500-hostages-at-hospital-ukrainian-official-says-01647391786
― dow, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 01:16 (four years ago)
An anti-war piece that takes in the history of the region.
https://www.e-flux.com/journal/125/453868/the-case-against-the-russian-federation/
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 10:20 (four years ago)
"...in Ukraine, the Russians operate as if they are dealing with Russia itself. Whatever works in Russia, they think, must work in Ukraine. Because, you know, it’s one and the same."
Yes!
As far as Kyiv being responsible for later Slav colonialism, it's a more difficult case to make. The Rus were responsible for a lot of extermination and conquest, but at the same time the physical and cultural boundaries were a lot more porous than those of the later Muscovite state and Russian empire. The Drevlians who St. Olha famously exterminated actually survived their mythical doom, same as many Finno-Ugric tribes in the northeast, future heartland of Muscovy. Pecheneg nomad peoples and customs were also incorporated - or had influence on - the culture of Kievan Rus. Even in later Muscovy, many nobles were openly proud of their Mongol ancestry (at least till the 1700's turn to Europe). And so on.
There's no font of pure ethnic Slav heritage from which the empire sprang; the identity was constructed, modified, or wholly re-shaped to fit the circumstances of the day.
There's still a lot to back up his point, though: you can see this brutality in Ivan the Terrible's treatment of Kazan and Novgorod, or the 1700's Russian Empire in Crimea, and later the 19th century policies of "Russianization." The less the Russian empire or the USSR acknowledged and respected its multi-ethnic composition, the more brutal its policies became. This repression often directly resulted in fervent nationalist movements all over the place. The cycle continues today.
― the sky was the color of television tuned to a woke channel (MoominTrollin), Wednesday, 16 March 2022 13:05 (four years ago)
Cameo on The Simpsons to follow:
Putin just said the west is trying to "cancel" Russia— max seddon (@maxseddon) March 16, 2022
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 14:29 (four years ago)
They've been on that tip for a while now. Considering both the NYT and the Atlantic managed to churn out concern troll-y pieces on campus cancel culture while this is going on ya can't blame Russia for thinking it's a troll that could work.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 14:35 (four years ago)
It's okay, Russia. You can just move to Florida and take pictures of yourself smoking cigars and eating steak.
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 16 March 2022 15:32 (four years ago)
I forget where I saw this (maybe even here) but someone made the point that American cultural hegemony is so widespread over the world that even "anti-American" Russian politicians are using vocabulary like "cancel culture."
― the sky was the color of television tuned to a woke channel (MoominTrollin), Wednesday, 16 March 2022 16:02 (four years ago)
Lotta stuff coming in on reddit and twitter supposedly from American volunteers complaining that they are not being given adequate equipment and/or training before being sent into battle. If true it's really mind boggling how ppl can willingly head into a fucking war zone and think the reality's gonna be as clean as Call of Duty or something.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 16:16 (four years ago)
In the heat of battle, but still making time to post on reddit?
I wonder who's really behind those posts
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 16:19 (four years ago)
The story isn't that they're in the heat of battle fwiw.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 16:20 (four years ago)
This morning, before Zelensky addressed Congress:caption: Fifteen flights of military shipment, including 90 tons of ammunition and Javelin missile systems for Ukraine armed forces arrive in Ukraine on February 11. (Eyepress/Reuters)As Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky prepares to ask Congress for further military aid to his country, the US and its NATO allies are already sending several surface-to-air missiles systems to Ukraine to aid in its defense.
According to a senior US official, these additional systems include the Soviet-era SA-8, SA-10, SA-12 and SA-14 mobile air defense systems.
These systems have a lower altitude range than the S-300 system, which Ukraine has requested. However, they have a range higher than the Stinger shoulder-fired missiles previously supplied to Ukraine, giving them the capability to hit cruise missiles.
The systems have been sourced from NATO partner nations and are “on the way,” according to this senior US official. It is not clear at this time how these systems will be backfilled to the providing country. From CNN---so this is basically the same deal as Poland proposed, giving them older stuff, or of older design, and then getting newer stuff from US as replacement? Why give older stuff? Keeping the new for when/if Putin goes over the Polish border (Biden said even if "by accident," that's some kind of red line)?
Also this A.M., an interview w official who said US might send Switchblade drones, the larger of which can take out tanks. Host asked what distinction could be made between increasingly lethal drones and air-to-ground missiles already being sent, vs. no-fly zone enforcement by pilots---in terms of what's considered not too likely to "escalate." Other guy said that is the question being debated in Pentagon x White House.
― dow, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 16:37 (four years ago)
Host asked what distinction could be made between increasingly lethal drones and air-to-ground missiles already being sent, vs. no-fly zone enforcement by pilots
It's straightforward enough. Enforcing a no-fly zone by definition is not something the Ukraine military does anyway. It is fighting a war and will shoot down any enemy aircraft without such nonsense as declaring a no-fly zone. The missiles the US and others supply will be used for this, but will be fired by Ukrainian forces. As soon as NATO forces begin enforcing a no-fly zone they would begin committing acts of war against Russia.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 16 March 2022 16:49 (four years ago)
Yeah but what they're weighing/arguing about are what's considered likely to go over the line into escalation (also most likely kind x degree of escalation, I take it), even short of no-fly---is there something involving drones etc. that might tip the scales, be just as provocative?
― dow, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 17:19 (four years ago)
Meanwhile, Vlad appears to be taking things well
I have translated and added subtitles to the latest video speech by Vladimir Putin from two hours ago. Please don’t let it go in vain - I want everyone to see what a speech of true fascism looks like.No further comment needed, it’s all here, in his speech pic.twitter.com/QEzsG9BODX— Michael Elgort 🤍❤️🤍🇺🇦✡️ (@just_whatever) March 16, 2022
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 17:57 (four years ago)
Meantime about that one mayor
Ukraine released Melitopol Mayor Ivan Fedorov, kidnapped by Russian occupiers! It was a special operation, he is safe now, Deputy Head of the Presidential Office Kyrylo Tymoshenko said in a statement. "We don't leave our people in danger!" Tymoshenko said!— Nika Melkozerova (@NikaMelkozerova) March 16, 2022
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 18:02 (four years ago)
"I do not at all judge those who have a villa in Miami or on the French Riviera who can't do without foie gras, oysters, or the so-called gender freedoms"
Someone tell Vlad about Florida
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 16 March 2022 18:07 (four years ago)
Rough read but says a lot
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-russia-voznesensk-town-battle-11647444734
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 18:10 (four years ago)
wait didn't Vlad buy his mistress a villa on the french riviera??
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 18:12 (four years ago)
"Anarchy for me, fascism for you," as Black Flag bassist Chuck Dukowski once put it.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 16 March 2022 18:13 (four years ago)
Ned, do you have a WSJ subscription?
― Mardi Gras Mambo Sun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 March 2022 19:11 (four years ago)
not ned but if you really want to see the article I can c/p, have access through work
― underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Wednesday, 16 March 2022 19:16 (four years ago)
xpost Work access. Being employed by a library is useful.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 19:26 (four years ago)
that WSJ article here:
https://archive.ph/doZW1
― the sky was the color of television tuned to a woke channel (MoominTrollin), Wednesday, 16 March 2022 19:30 (four years ago)
Hahah WHOOPS if you're Putin
There couldn’t be a more powerful sign of which way the wind is blowing in Ukraine. China meeting with Ukraine officials in Lviv. “We have seen how great the unity of the Ukrainian people is” the Chinese ambassador is quoted as saying https://t.co/buwanatiLx— Liz Sly (@LizSly) March 16, 2022
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 19:50 (four years ago)
Which way the wind, indeed. XP they're still going after those nuclear plants, reminding me that last word I saw from Chernobyl was of being forced to work round-the-clock. I see print ed. of WSJ during library visits, and earlier this week a military scholar commented that, although Vlad may have indeed been alarmed by all those countries joining NATO, there was a concurrent fall in actual troops on NATO-related location (reaching a low point in 2014, when Ukraine began receiving a lot of military instruction and other assistence from member countries).So now I wonder, if Vlad does xpost cross a red line into Poland etc, rapid response would have to be via missiles and drones etc., I take it, since "actual troops" seemed to incl. air force, for the most part (although Poland itself has the MiGs, apparently). Seems like why troop levels would have been lowered, after all the George W Boots On The Ground shit, though may yet come to that, as Peacekeepers and Advisors at least.
― dow, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 20:06 (four years ago)
Drones can be tricky, of course, re hitting the wrong people, places and things. Sorry to get so speculative, but seems like Putin may get impatient enough to escalate at any point, whatever explanation he may give later.
― dow, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 20:12 (four years ago)
the putin’s speech is like the tl;dr of all the latest propaganda BS that is being pushed in russia. the fact that it’s being pushed much more aggressively now combined with just as aggressive silencing of anything that disagrees with the official line is telling me they are realizing things aren’t going exactly well. my hope is that this aggressiveness will have the exact opposite effect.
― scanner darkly, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 20:16 (four years ago)
Which way the wind, indeed.
Yeah, that's why they're all wearing masks.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 20:26 (four years ago)
NEW: Details on the possible Russia-Ukraine deal– Russia ceases fire and withdraws– Ukrainian "neutrality" without Nato– Kyiv keeps its army but can't host foreign bases – Russian gets legal status in Ukrainewith @ArashMassoudi and Roman Olearchykhttps://t.co/vPMUR0dekS— max seddon (@maxseddon) March 16, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 22:51 (four years ago)
'Russian gets legal status in Ukraine'
What does this mean? the language?
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 23:29 (four years ago)
There was a followup from a Ukraine negotiator saying that was more the Russian side of things, so I’d maintain skepticism.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 23:33 (four years ago)