The Jordan Peterson Thread

this is like a list a child would write. "favorite baseball players:" and it's just random players from different eras and his local single-A team and todd bonzalez

In peterson's world the category 'postmodern" is just a heterogeneous pile of ideas he rejects because he finds them threatening.

Michel Foucault, gotta get the papers.

I think he meant to make this list into a poll on ILX.

glad that foucault gets so much ire, you'd think he was passe when i went to grad school in the late 2000s.

this list has some coherence in that you could say it's populated by people who think humans are responsible for creating the status quo, and could therefore change it, instead of believing that the status quo is a law of god.

So weird to see Andrea Dworkin's name on anything in 2022.

she's had a bit of a resurgence afaict

it's a p good reading list

Initially read Kimberle Crenshaw as Matthew Crenshaw--which prob wouldn't even make his Top 50 wackiest claims.

(oops--meant Marshall. Too many Crenshaws!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_McKinnon

like half of those people are in complete disfavor with most Marxists I know

But are they POSTMODERN NEOMARXISTS?

somewhat ironically, MacKinnon—arguably the least fashionable name on that list?—might be the one with the most marxist bona fides, but otherwise yes it's such a tell that he doesn't name Adorno, Althusser, Gramsci, Stuart Hall, any of the Italian autonomists, etc etc but as I said, he is a dumbass / is trying to graft a circa 1994 view of who's hot in academic theory to a list of contemporary anti-racists, also he hates feminists regardless of the details

i wonder if saying someone is a marxist instead of a feminist gets a louder boo from the right wing these days.

this is obviously why the democratic party needs to become proudly marxist

can I use this thread to vent because if I do it on main my mentions will be such a mess? thank you. THIS GUY IS THE DUMBEST FUCKIN CLOWN ALIVE, GOD ALMIGHTY MY CAT IS SMARTER THAN THIS FUCKIN GUY.

correct

and I get like, old friends on FB, dudes I've known since grade school, NICE FUCKIN GUYS with about 2/3 of their politics still in an ok place, nominal progressives and they see one video from this asshole and it's like the hypno-ray grabbed them while their guard was down, "oh you gotta really LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAS TO SAY," no my dude, if it can't survive being restated more succinctly then guess what, it's fucking snake oil, God it's aggravating

Doesn’t this guy stan Nietzsche but he thinks Derrida is an unacceptable threat to Western ideology?

Just so sick of awful people being held up as leaders and their awful thoughts percolating through society as if they're worth anyone's time, it's fucking exhausting.

Has he read a word of any of them except kendi and diangelo?

Nietzsche stanz will jump through every hoop they can find to stan their man, it is a disease

I really wonder, was he always this dumb? His academic book looks baffling but it’s really hard to imagine that the guy on Twitter now could function as a successful university professor/lecturer.

Feel like there’s a decent chance he got Naomi Klein mixed up with Naomi Wolf.

Has he read a word of any of them except kendi and diangelo?

― treeship., Monday, March 14, 2022 5:03 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

exactly this, but we might still be giving him too much credit!

He may have gotten dumber but his main problem so far as I can tell is not staying in his lane

His academic book is the worst kind of Jungian fuckwittedness.

"postmodern neomarxism" is his version of "cultural marxism" i.e. jews

counterpoint: he's smart actually because he knows academia is already a grift and he's leaned into it.

I really wonder, was he always this dumb? His academic book looks baffling but it’s really hard to imagine that the guy on Twitter now could function as a successful university professor/lecturer.

"postmodern neomarxism" is his version of "cultural marxism" i.e. jews

― adam t. (abanana), Monday, March 14, 2022 7:10 PM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

ding ding ding

lol you don't "badger" a university into giving you tenure you do it by selling a fuckton of books and being a celeb. though they'll never admit it.

I had figured he’d gotten tenure before he blew up on YouTube.

attacking this guy on his ideas or his dumbness / smartness is .. idk, similar energy to having an elizabeth warren bumper sticker.

also would question joan crawford's assertion that the politics of his friends who are blinkered by jordan peterson are 2/3 ok, that they're nominal progressives, or that they're nice.

I know one person who is the single overlapping point in the center of a Venn diagram of active BLM support/pro-vax/otherwise decent if unremarkable beliefs and daily Joe Rogan viewer/'Jordan Peterson has some good thoughts tbh'

His academic book is the worst kind of Jungian fuckwittedness.

I had a professor in grad school who would automatically fail anyone who cited Jung or Joseph Campbell in a paper.

I came in too late and his list is deleted. What am I going to read now?

lol why did he delete that list? Deleting it is even dumber than posting it in the first place.

maybe he's just working on completing it

lol why did he delete that list?

found out there were some non-jews on it

_His academic book is the worst kind of Jungian fuckwittedness._


I had a professor in grad school who would automatically fail anyone who cited Jung or Joseph Campbell in a paper.

This professor was a Semite, but I don't think that's why he objected to Campbell.

He reposted it, I think he just edited it to remove Michel Foucault…and above all Michel Foucault.

Well, Foucault is now being taken up by the right as a hero and spurned as a reactionary by the left.

how postmodern and neo-marxist of him

can’t even stand by his convictions in a shit tweet

He didn't remove Foucault entirely, just fixed the double mention.

few current public figures make my skin crawl more than this guy

I’m trying to find the video clip of someone asking him if he’s still on the all-meat diet and he looks glum and mumbles “unfortunately..”

any time I get irritated or depressed by the fact people listen to this guy, I watch it and feel better