ok what the fuck is happening in ukraine

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Anyway, about those negotiations -- notable point here

Ukraine’s lead negotiator says Russia is “looking far more properly” at the situation and thinks they may reach “concrete results” in the next few days.
He says Russia has stopped making “ultimatums”. https://t.co/f2KCcYTloe

— Patrick Reevell (@Reevellp) March 13, 2022

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2022 16:48 (four years ago)

Related to xxxxpost kidnapping and replacement of mayor:
The occupiers on the territory of the Kherson region are trying to repeat the sad experience of the formation of pseudo-republics,” Zelenskyy said. “They are blackmailing local leaders, putting pressure on deputies, looking for someone to bribe.”
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-business-mevlut-cavusoglu-europe-nato-b33709c6f51d1b580f2c6874066eb819

dow, Sunday, 13 March 2022 17:10 (four years ago)

That Bermuda factoid is something else.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 13 March 2022 18:19 (four years ago)

it's basically academic tho, isn't it? Bermuda isn't getting those jets back any time soon, Russia is going to keep using them probably even after this is over and settled.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 13 March 2022 19:09 (four years ago)

also agree with orbit. i come here for updates as much as any other one source and usually enjoy people's thoughts etc. outside of calling out name-calling and unnecessarily argumentative chirping, i don't see a need for anyone to police the thread. i just wish more often when we think someone is wrong, we can continue to point it out with thoughtful responses.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 13 March 2022 19:15 (four years ago)

it's basically academic tho, isn't it? Bermuda isn't getting those jets back any time soon, Russia is going to keep using them probably even after this is over and settled.

You would think defaults and writing off entire aircraft will make leasing companies reluctant to lease planes to Russians/Russian companies for the foreseeable future. So they may be using them for a long, long time.

move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), Sunday, 13 March 2022 19:54 (four years ago)

ha ha – true!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 13 March 2022 20:13 (four years ago)

That Bermuda factoid is something else

Apparently Irish companies have leased over a hundred commercial airliners to Russian carriers too.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 13 March 2022 20:50 (four years ago)

I will read this over the next day or so, looks good.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/11/was-it-inevitable-a-short-history-of-russias-war-on-ukraine

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 13 March 2022 21:00 (four years ago)

Good article.

Otto Insurance (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 13 March 2022 21:21 (four years ago)

Ah yes of course

Russia asks China for military assistance in its invasion of Ukraine https://t.co/NwAe7UtEIi

— Financial Times (@FinancialTimes) March 13, 2022

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2022 21:46 (four years ago)

The Bermuda issue has nothing to do with leasing, it's about the ability to fly the planes they actually have. As the licence holder for the planes, Bermuda - however notionally it happens - are the ones that technically certify the airworthiness of the planes.

If they're not certified as safe, then any airport that accepts them is taking a huge risk to all the other planes on their tarmac, and all the passengers, that they as duty holders can't pass on. And further to that, I'm not even sure they can let them take off again because of various international aviation authority regulations.

So basically this cuts Russia off even to friendly countries by air, otherwise those countries could lose all their international traffic.

(Yes, Russia could change to obscure rural airports and use domestic flights to get to airports but there are enough aviation geeks tracking transponders and IFF devices in normal conditions, never mind war, that it wouldn't be very long before this gets exposed.)

Long enough attention span for a Stephen Bissette blu-ray extra (aldo), Sunday, 13 March 2022 22:25 (four years ago)

WaPo paywalled report today of another mayor kidnapped.

Discussion of global food supply affected by climate disruption, incl. chronic drought, then Covid showed up, now the war, how that figures in, but also possible solution/improvementhttps://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/03/06/1083769798/russias-war-on-ukraine-is-dire-for-world-hunger-but-there-are-solutions

dow, Monday, 14 March 2022 02:29 (four years ago)

More on effects: Middle Eastern and North African countries rely heavily on wheat imports from Russia and Ukraine. The current war could lead to a severe food crisis in a region already under pressure. https://www.dw.com/en/middle-east-faces-severe-wheat-crisis-over-war-in-ukraine/a-61056418

Also, re xpost Ukraine recruiting foreign fighters:Nigeria, Senegal and Algeria have criticized Ukraine's efforts to enlist international fighters as it resists the Russian invasion. Analysts say those who have responded to the call need to reconsider.
(Which leads to: Africa's complex ties with Russia)
All in here: https://www.dw.com/en/ukraines-bid-to-recruit-fighters-from-africa-sparks-uproar/a-61049323

dow, Monday, 14 March 2022 07:54 (four years ago)

Likewise someone noted that if China *did* get more directly involved, that would exponentially disrupt global trade/supply/etc., among other serious problems.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 March 2022 12:20 (four years ago)

It's come to this

Ukraine to launch NFT to mark history of Russian invasion https://t.co/0l7N1qmgnB

— Michael Carty (@MJCarty) March 14, 2022

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 March 2022 15:00 (four years ago)

i must have missed that chapter in The Art of War

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 14 March 2022 15:27 (four years ago)

A general must be able to mystify his officers and men by false reports and appearances

IX.36

Tracer Hand, Monday, 14 March 2022 15:30 (four years ago)

Meanwhile, a reminder about how terrible and fucked up it all is

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-03-14/huntington-beach-woman-kharkiv-russian-invasion

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 March 2022 15:32 (four years ago)

xpost@ Ukraine NFTs:

Least shocking development of this war, by far.

grandstanding self-important bullshit merchant who won't shut up (MoominTrollin), Monday, 14 March 2022 15:32 (four years ago)

hello MT, we've not met, i enjoy your content, but adopting a presumably calz zing as a pass-agg display name is a mistake at the grandmaster level imo

imago, Monday, 14 March 2022 15:40 (four years ago)

anyway we've all seen those videos of protesters being summarily carted off by russian riot cops for even talking to the press right

imago, Monday, 14 March 2022 15:42 (four years ago)

Thank you imago, you're right.

MoominTrollin, Monday, 14 March 2022 15:49 (four years ago)

In the 'good news' column, the Russian communist whose story I posted above has been and gone from the police station. His lawyer told him that the "anonymous" complaint may have simply been faked by the police. The point is to show him that he's being watched.

His injured comrade is serving out a two week sentence after which he may be charged with something else, but at least he is conscious and ok. Small victories.

Some unconfirmed stories on twitter about Russian cops being simultaneously brutal, but also strangely nervous and panicky - "they know revolution is coming." We'll see.

MoominTrollin, Monday, 14 March 2022 15:53 (four years ago)

Likewise someone noted that if China *did* get more directly involved, that would exponentially disrupt global trade/supply/etc., among other serious problems.

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, March 14, 2022 11:20 PM (yesterday)

At least nothing else happened in China yesterday that could disrupt global supply

beepy fridges (sic), Monday, 14 March 2022 16:04 (four years ago)

OK, I give up. What happened in China yesterday? I know today is Pi/pie day, so it's not that ...

Oh, wait, something about covid?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 March 2022 16:14 (four years ago)

yup, Shenzen port shutdown

thinkmanship (sleeve), Monday, 14 March 2022 16:19 (four years ago)

I know someone posted something recently, but is there a link to a good Ukraine relief organization? Would Red Cross fund be good?

move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), Monday, 14 March 2022 16:48 (four years ago)

Found it:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/where-to-donate-to-support-ukrainian-civilians-in-and-outside-ukraine/

move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), Monday, 14 March 2022 16:55 (four years ago)

From Lamothe's latest thread

Russia now has 100 percent of the forces it assembled prior to invading committed to the fight. It has under 90 percent of those forces available to them, after taking losses, senior U.S. defense official says.

— Dan Lamothe (@DanLamothe) March 14, 2022

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 March 2022 17:41 (four years ago)

In other words, now is the time to invade Russia! Who's with me!?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 March 2022 17:46 (four years ago)

In the 'good news' column, the Russian communist whose story I posted above has been and gone from the police station. His lawyer told him that the "anonymous" complaint may have simply been faked by the police. The point is to show him that he's being watched.

I've been meaning to ask MT, to what extent do you agree with that youtuber's views? Not that you have to agree to find his work interesting, ofc. I watched the video about the decline of the Soviet Union and found it interesting, started the one about whether the Soviet Union pressured Eastern countries into becoming communist after WWII and that one seemed quite...extreme in its views, even within a western leftist perspective, tho I certainly don't have the historical knowledge to question any of it. Just kinda wondering how far dude's defense of the Soviet Union goes, what he thinks of Stalin, the tanks rolling into Prague, etc. Not easy to get the full picture when only like 5% of his videos are subtitled.

Anyway, certainly a trip to see the youtuber style, complete with mostly inscrutable-to-me local memes, applied to this level of theory (don't think Breadtube has anything near to it). And it's certainly done a number on my recommendations algorithm. And, of course, solidarity for him fighting the good fight right now!

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 14 March 2022 18:01 (four years ago)

So, I don't agree with him on all his views, in fact he's gone in on some Russians with negative views of the USSR, for ex: he uses very dodgy statistics about Soviet population figures after the Holodomor to help 'prove' it wasn't that bad. Kind of a polar opposite of the early cold war history of Richard Pipes and Conquest (both of whom I wouldn't trust either). He also proffers what seem to be flimsy excuses about other Soviet actions that we are familiar with in the West.

On the other hand, he does a great job of criticizing the period from the early 1980s onward, including the USSR failing its people, Yeltsin's Russia failing its people, and Putin's Russia failing its people. Spot the pattern here.

I find him to be a rare example of a good-faith post-Soviet communist. He may be wrong on aspects of the past and I'm fully against rehabilitating the bad parts of USSR history, but he genuinely believes what he says. It's refreshing to see that in Russia, a country whose politics have been dominated by weird fash or fash-adjacent people like Dugin, and a popular resurgence of the dumbass "Russophile" belief that Russia has a special destiny in the world. Would a communist corrective go far against this right-wing trend? I don't know, but I like to check in on him every now and then.

His more recent work last year on "Who's really boss in the Donbas," "The Imperialism of Putin," as well as his recent video about the war, are all on much more solid ground than some of his more ardent defenses of the USSR. I've checked the auto-translate-to-English subs on some of his other videos that I've recommended to other friends, and they seem to be passable, even if there are no hard English subs.

The closest English language communist with similar or more palatable beliefs might be Hakim, an Iraqi communist youtuber currently living in the UK. His own defenses of the USSR are also more...suspect...than his critiques of modern capitalism/imperialism, but his videos are in English at least.

MoominTrollin, Monday, 14 March 2022 18:46 (four years ago)

Saw a tweet blaming Larry Summers US economic advisor for not allowing US to help Yeltsin enough financially enough back then , which tweeter suggested led to Yeltsin’s failing and then to Putin being able to take over

curmudgeon, Monday, 14 March 2022 20:20 (four years ago)

Not a Summers fan but that seems a bit simplistic

curmudgeon, Monday, 14 March 2022 20:22 (four years ago)

Unexpected effects!

Russia's invasion of Ukraine may change the future sound of guitar music. Here's why.

Traditional guitar amps (and some distortion pedals) use vacuum tubes to increase the power of the signal passing through, and to make the tone warm and crunchy. (1/12)

— David Meyer (@superglaze) March 14, 2022

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 March 2022 21:45 (four years ago)

Totally hadn't thought about that. I just went to my normal source for tubes for my stereo and almost every tube is sold out, which I've never even close to seen.

move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), Monday, 14 March 2022 21:59 (four years ago)

Ok, KT88s seem pretty scarce everywhere.

move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), Monday, 14 March 2022 22:09 (four years ago)

Embracing amp simulation technology is now our moral duty. Fortunately I've got like three Para Drivers and a Blonde so I am set

imagine flagons (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 14 March 2022 22:45 (four years ago)

Couple of folks have asked about donations and support. FWIW, I've given to:

World Central Kitchen is feeding a lot of families right now and for some places it's the only one:
https://wck.org

The 24.02 Fund for local Ukrainian journalists.
https://2402.org/en/

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 02:21 (four years ago)

Organizers of the New School Laurie Anderson-Zorn-Glass etc. Ukraine benefit concert (Friday 11) turned it into a free event, refunding tickets and suggesting donations to:

Save the Childrenhttps://support.savethechildren.org/site/Donation2?df_id=5751&mfc_pref=T&5751.donation=form1

International Rescue Committee https://help.rescue.org/donate/ukraine-acq

Razomhttps://razomforukraine.org/

dow, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 03:48 (four years ago)

From USA Today round-up, quoting "a senior U.S. Defense Department source":
The attack over the weekend on the Yavoriv military training base in western Ukraine consisted of dozens of cruise missiles launched by Russian bombers inside Russian airspace, the official said. The attack from a distance, the official said, showed that a no-fly zone over Ukraine sought by the battered nation would not necessarily prevent Russia from assaulting by air.

There were no U.S. troops, contractors or citizens at the base when the missiles struck, the official said. Florida National Guard troops had trained Ukrainian forces there, but left the base before the Russian invasion. At least 35 people died in the attack.
Russia, despite its advantages in warplanes, has not dominated Ukrainian airspace, the official said.
Yeah but missiles.

dow, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 04:16 (four years ago)

Ok.

Macron decided to turn up to work in a pair of jeans and a French paratroopers hoodie to be more like Zelensky. pic.twitter.com/pYivvXwOga

— Sam Street (@samstreetwrites) March 14, 2022

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 13:40 (four years ago)

how are the french so bad at jeans

adam, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 14:24 (four years ago)

though i can just barely see the shoes i think they are exactly the shoes i was imagining

towards fungal computer (harbl), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 14:34 (four years ago)

"tactical boots"

levis from the levis outlet store are pretty tone deaf and not very practical for all the scrambling and wall scaling he needs to do

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 15:00 (four years ago)

there's a vibe of "my job does not add value to the world and so i will wear something absurd today in a desperate attempt to feel something" that's relatable here imo

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 15:03 (four years ago)

Zelensky speaks via video to Canada, addressing Justin Trudeau as his friend, and appealing to the Ukrainian diaspora.

Czech and Polish leaders visited Zelensky today, I think (or is Kyiv not safe enough for that?).

the pinefox, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 15:47 (four years ago)

And Slovenian PM. Apparently they went rogue, in other words not an official delegation from the EU. I'm wondering about the particulars of the discussion. It's becoming clear that on the current path Poland is set to become a staging point for a years-long insurgency (inserting US/NATO-backed Ukrainian forces) -- I can't imagine that's a very cheerful prospect for Poland, as it puts the country directly in the crosshairs of Russia.

Sam Weller, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 15:52 (four years ago)

The parallels to WWII remain uncomfortable, but for better or worse there are a lot of major things that have changed since then that could mitigate the menace.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 16:08 (four years ago)


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