The Sopranos Vs. The Wire

at least 7 of us would smash chicken lady: WIRE BABEZ POLL

i'd bgawk it

^^^A+

GOTTA GET PAID, GOTTA GET PAID
(because she's a mercenary political consultant)

(sorry)

surely at least seven people here would smash just about anyone considered attractive enough to do a conventional TV nude scene

surely at least seven people here would smash just about anyone considered attractive enough to do a conventional TV nude scene

i <3 her but really, nicky sobotka's gf was the 1 true choice

any characters in the wire based on johnforkstofu?

Interesting story: I am the basis for Snoop.

fyi snoop is giving anthony bourdain a tour of baltimore on some upcoming episode of his show

^^

The show:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=102493007402&ref=mf

the deacon was obviously based on Jaymc

The deacon is actually played by a former Balitimore drug kingpin.

I wish this thread would be locked and people would move to the other wire thread because the last thing I want to read is yet more people comparing the wire and the sopranos. They're not in direct competetion for fucks sake.

And I've said it before and I'll say it again regarding how realistic it is: just because it bases itself on an element of gritty realism doesn't mean it must subscribe to this perspective, because if your looking for out of the world realism your not going to get it, and that's not an inherently bad thing.

The deacon is the 'real Avon Barksdale'.

(nabisco is making a funny, guys)

jaymc is avon barksdale?!

^^ yeah, he's the guy that was the target of the intensive investigation Ed Burns did as a BPD officer that was part of the basis for the show.

the deacon, not jaymc.

jaymc's Baltimore.xls is legendary

I think Avon is actually like a composite of a bunch of (I recall the number 5) guys, but yeah, sarahel is correct.

i guess i'm right around where mark cl & shakey are... just finished s3 e8(?) a couple of nights back. i've actually enjoyed McNulty this season; his self-doubt vis-a-vis the short-lived chicken lady romance was handled well. nice counterbalance to the all swagger all the time.

I actually like McNulty when he's being an asshole.

also v. curious about Marlo's weird little clique (chris?, snoop etc).

heh, that gets, shall we say DEVELOPED somewhat.

The Wire 116
The Sopranos 30

aw/rmde

ya a lot of ilx is pretty wrong tho

white people getting the short end of the stick again, welcome to america

well, im glad you favour 'the wire' on its intrinsic merits rather than the skin colour of some of its cast members

this is THE most RMDE poll result ever on ILX, if just because of sheer numbers. it is bonkers.

well, im glad you favour 'the wire' on its intrinsic merits rather than the skin colour of some of its cast members

― history mayne, Thursday, 10 March 2011 18:38 (1 minute ago) Bookmark

ya if he hadn't said that we might have assumed he liked it on its intrsinic merits rather than as an avenue for college age crackers to sublimate their shitty racist background via an overcompensatory love for friendly fictional black ppl

syllables, you're abusing them

friendly fictional murderous black people

while we're delving into the psychology of the voters lets discuss the international obsession w/ all things mafia

frankly the wire covers subjects more relevent to the state of the country via the drug war & corruption, the war on america's cities etc than the issues the sopranos grapples w/ so im not surprised it resonates more. not saying the wire is even per se 'better' (although i prefer it) but it's more fresh terrain topically & also more 'relevent'

i used relevant twice sorry

rephrase as more 'germane to the state of the country's moral fiber'

most otm poll results ever

in human history

frankly the wire covers subjects more relevent to the state of the country via the drug war & corruption, the war on america's cities etc than the issues the sopranos grapples w/ so im not surprised it resonates more.

Get a grip, dude. The Wire is a show about inner city crime, The Sopranos is a show about a family.

the 'death of the american city' stuff may be good for slate articles but i'm not sure many people really like the wire ~primarily~ because of david simon's thoughts on matters germane to the state of the country's moral fiber

the 'death of the american city' stuff may be good for slate articles but i'm not sure many people really like the wire ~primarily~ because of david simon's thoughts on matters germane to the state of the country's moral fiber

― maxwell's silva hamartia (nakhchivan), Thursday, March 10, 2011 1:47 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think ppl like it for lots of reasons & i dont know about anyone else but for me personally i think a show that grapples w/ not just the death of amer. city but also the ongoing war on 'drugs'/poor/black ppl in inner cities, the incarceration industry, etc. is going to be more refreshing for discussing issues that are imo central to who we are as a country right now. the psychology of mafia families is less compelling to me, esp since its such a long-running trope, even if its done in a refreshing or compelling way as it was w/ the sopranos

Get a grip, dude. The Wire is a show about inner city crime, The Sopranos is a show about a family.

― gawka flocka flamewar (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, March 10, 2011 1:44 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not sure what u are saying here

the wire is about a lot more than inner ciy crime -- its about drugs/educational institutions / the behavior of ineffecient/corrupt beauracracies / incarceration industry / race & class / the destruction of unions / (somewhat hamhandidly) the responsiility of the press etc.

i think ppl like it for lots of reasons & i dont know about anyone else but for me personally i think a show that grapples w/ not just the death of amer. city but also the ongoing war on 'drugs'/poor/black ppl in inner cities, the incarceration industry, etc. is going to be more refreshing for discussing issues that are imo central to who we are as a country right now.

this isn't really talking points stuff, every ~right thinking~ person knows these things are terrible! and the wire does a pretty good job of showing them, but you could (and ppl do) use the same logic to valourize crappy ken loach films that say the right things about social problems

the psychology of mafia families is less compelling to me

dude the mafia family psychology angle is a METAPHOR

think harder.

its about drugs/educational institutions / the behavior of ineffecient/corrupt beauracracies / incarceration industry / race & class / the destruction of unions /

Sopranos hits all these k thx bye

the difference is Sopranos is not super-literal DO YOU SEE about hitting those themes

well, i mean, aside from shakey, we all p much agree these are both compelling shows right? its not that i think the subject matter makes it 'better.' its that i think it explains why it might resonate more w/ people now, it says stuff about things that feel immediately consequential & that we are as a society complicit in. regardless of whether or not one show is 'better' -- acted, written, whatever -- since they're both done really really well i think it makes sense to look to the subject matter for reasons these poll results seem so imbalanced

not sure what u are saying here

― deej, Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:50 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

saying your idea of "oh noes our american cities" being what resonates, actually probably will not resonate nearly as immediately and universally as "having a family is complicated"

i think it makes sense to look to the subject matter for reasons these poll results seem so imbalanced

― deej, Thursday, March 10, 2011 3:00 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

an avenue for college age crackers to sublimate their shitty racist background via an overcompensatory love for friendly fictional black ppl

― maxwell's silva hamartia (nakhchivan), Thursday, March 10, 2011 1:45 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

aside from shakey,

I dunno how many times I have to say it (a few more, evidently) I think these are both good shows. I enjoyed most of the Wire, it is good stuff. But Sopranos is like next level/so much better.

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