Literary Clusterfucks 2013

If you think of dialects as broken versions of "correct" English it's easy to write in dialect, because you don't have to follow rules you don't believe exist.

don’t think this author is YA, or at least is not primarily marketed as such

Seems like she should be but yes, I wouldn’t but my sweet tato on it.

YA in this case stands for Yikes, Always

Weird that none of these reviews mention Riddley Walker, which seems like the obvious model for something like this.

I would love it if How Not to Write A Novel was The Country of Ice Cream Star with a different title

Was thinking the same thing.

Riddley Walker the most obvious predecessor yeah. More recently there was also The Wake, by Paul KIngsnorth.

No Country for Old Ice Cream

The Wake was a stunning achievement which I will always stan tbh

Let's not ignore Mason & Dixon in the 'doing it right' column too

the fact that this terrible book was apparently intended for adult readers is somehow more upsetting to me than if it were just another shitty YA novel

half expect there to be a drink called "Milk Minus" in it

I call for all of these books where a certain percentage of the population dies/disappears (not because of a nuclear war) to be called Thanos Snap Lit.

many xps
A Nest Of Fire And Ants
is how I read that

"never had no tato patch nor cornfield" keeps sending me into horrified giggles

― castanuts (DJP), Monday, March 7, 2022 10:03 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

And mind you, they didn't keep the existing word "tater"; they went for "tato"

― castanuts (DJP), Monday, March 7, 2022 10:05 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

This was nearly, "I don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' no 'taters."

oh no I read too many excerpts and now I actually want to know if there's a stated reason there's so much French in it: is the population descended from francophone immigrants?

let's not pull Haitians into this mess

that was my best guess, and you're right: I probably don't want to know the answer

Roos all got one clothing, same as Beef-a-roni do.

I'm a little annoyed by the reflexive criticism of the new book, but yeah, I also saw excerpts of The Country of Ice Cream Star and thought "yikes."

Also this interview:

How did you go about creating the voice of Ice Cream Star (and the groups who live in Massa) and how did you sustain that for an entire novel?

I didn’t initially intend to write the book in an invented patois. But when I started to write the book, it had to be set in a future world, and I wanted to the voice to feel absolutely real. I’ve always been the kind of writer (and reader) who needs a story to be completely convincing. When I was writing the book in standard English, I just couldn’t believe in it. A hundred years had passed. Obviously English would have changed in that time, especially if there were no schools and no media, and the language was only being spoken by children and teenagers.

So from there, the language ended up being informed by African-American English. I’ve given a lot of reasons for this, but the bottom line is just that it’s my favorite English, and probably objectively the best English going. It also gave me not only a model for innovation in the vocabulary, but a starting point for innovation in the grammar. And finally, most people are familiar with it to some degree, so readers have a starting point for understanding it.

Once I had the flavor of African-American speech in the language (and don’t get me wrong – it’s not African-American Vernacular English as spoken now, but it’s obviously strongly influenced by it) it felt like the characters should be black. Or, put another way, why shouldn’t they be black? I mean, it became a choice to make them anything but black.

And then, as soon as I thought of them as black, the book came to life in the most incredible and inexplicable way. It began to write itself. I don’t know why this is, since the book isn’t about race – or it’s only very occasionally, tangentially, about race. It just suddenly felt like a real world I had discovered, rather than an imaginary world I was inventing. Everything fell into place.

I was very aware that this was a controversial thing to do, as a white person. I thought about it a lot, and questioned my position, and etc But after a while, I couldn’t really help writing the book that way because it worked. Also, the characters very quickly became real people to me, who demanded to be written about as they were.

Sustaining it for an entire novel was time-consuming, but incredibly rewarding. In fact, I now find it a little sad writing in normal English, because it’s just not possible to be as inventive. And, just as with any foreign language, there are words in Sengle English for which there are no exact equivalents in contemporary English, so I sometimes end up feeling like my normal speech is an inadequate translation.

every sentence a red flag

I saw that interview but couldn't even bring myself to read it until you excerpted it.

I think you mean "erry senny a flag rouge", Brad

it's my favorite English

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/fc/fcc58d555bfd886e4aafd58cd0c4f17e40db24e87f955d8cc4b70a658d56dcb9.jpg

Once I had the flavor of African-American speech in the language (and don’t get me wrong – it’s not African-American Vernacular English as spoken now, but it’s obviously strongly influenced by it) it felt like the characters should be black. Or, put another way, why shouldn’t they be black? I mean, it became a choice to make them anything but black.

....

In fact, I now find it a little sad writing in normal English, because it’s just not possible to be as inventive.

A writer said this.

composing the sentence "our people be a tarry night sort" and then congratulating yourself on writing a book that "isn't about race" is a breathtaking achievement, we need a Newman Prize for this sort of thing

"writing in English sucks because then my racism will be harder to hide"

*normal English (who says "normal English" btw)

okay i am legit dying here at "i don't know nothin bout birthin no taters"

as soon as I thought of them as black, the book came to life in the most incredible and inexplicable way. It began to write itself. I don’t know why this is,

I THINK I MIGHT KNOW WHY THIS IS

this is almost as bad as M Night creating a rapper character named Mid Size Sedan in Old

no this is much worse

actually you are correct

I don’t know why this is, since the book isn’t about race – or it’s only very occasionally, tangentially, about race. It just suddenly felt like a real world I had discovered, rather than an imaginary world I was inventing. Everything fell into place.

what the fuck

Ugh.

Please forgive me but now I can't get this out my head:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBi_CyJe604

that interview is somehow worse than her invented language

and how did you sustain that for an entire novel?

the question that needed to be asked.

every sentence a red flag

― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, March 7, 2022 9:10 AM (thirty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I think you mean "erry senny a flag rouge", Brad

― castanuts (DJP), Monday, March 7, 2022 9:12 AM (thirty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

fucking lost it at this, thanking u DJP

I didn't know anything about all this when I first formed my opinion, was just relying on the plot summary and the irondreamclad reputation of ILB0r mookieproof.

I guess it wasn’t even a summary not that it would have mattered.

i feel like a version of “seeking one’s own counsel for a bad idea” exists in every one of these types of clusterfucks

“i asked myself if it was a good idea & i said yes”

I was very aware that this was a controversial thing to do, as a white person. I thought about it a lot, and questioned my position, and etc But after a while, I couldn’t really help writing the book that way because it worked. Also, the characters very quickly became real people to me, who demanded to be written about as they were.

i did not ask any POC bc then i would not be able to do my good idea

What could go wrong?

It's funny that this isn't even the book this clusterfuck is about

lol thats true i forgot abt that

Isn’t her new book effectively the plot of Y: The Last Man?