ok what the fuck is happening in ukraine

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He's tan, rested, and ready

Sam Weller, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 11:11 (two years ago) link

definitely not a drug-addled nazi

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 11:17 (two years ago) link

not sure how to fact check this but apparently russian police have arrested... children?

When I saw this yesterday I refused to believe it was real. But now confirmed by (Nobel Prize-winning) @novaya_gazeta: primary school children arrested by police in Moscow for laying flowers at Ukrainian embassy holding signs saying “No To War”. https://t.co/1Uqby4mhik

— Gabriel Gatehouse (@ggatehouse) March 2, 2022

corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 11:43 (two years ago) link

It’s real - I don’t think they were ‘arrested’ as such but they were held overnight with their parents who had taken them to protest, per the Novaya Gazeta tweet.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 12:05 (two years ago) link

Possibly not overnight, there is a second tweet saying they were released when a lawyer came to pick them up.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 12:08 (two years ago) link

Throw the pop-up book at them, if you can't do the time don't do the crime etc.

Resident Papist (Tom D.), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 12:10 (two years ago) link

If you can't tell the time, don't do the crime.

peace, man, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 12:48 (two years ago) link

Russian delegation came to the city of Konotop to negotiate a surrender, effectively said that the city would be destroyed in the fighting otherwise. pic.twitter.com/SpRtSeju2N

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) March 2, 2022

Literally coming to negotiate with two grenades in his hands, and the negotiation is "give up or we will destroy your city."

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 12:52 (two years ago) link

Useful thread

I have spent some time last night reading Russian nationalist accounts (the well versed "intellectual" ones, not normie Putin fans), and here is a quick summary of what they think:

— Yuriy Akopov (@y_akopov) March 2, 2022

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 13:42 (two years ago) link

Separately, quite a breakdown here

I work in the aviation sector, and I can tell you that for all intents and purposes Russian aviation has - at best - about three weeks before it’s show over.

One aspect is the fact that airspace available to Russian aircraft is very, very limited now. However, there is more:

— Jan Nedvidek (@janedvidek) March 1, 2022

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 13:46 (two years ago) link

If you can't tell the time, don't do the crime.

LOL OTM

Resident Papist (Tom D.), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 14:20 (two years ago) link

Reminds me of one of those old Russian/Soviet prisoner jokes I can’t type in at the moment.

Gary Gets His Tonsure Out (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 14:24 (two years ago) link

Useful thread

I have spent some time last night reading Russian nationalist accounts (the well versed "intellectual" ones, not normie Putin fans), and here is a quick summary of what they think:
— Yuriy Akopov (@y_akopov) March 2, 2022
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 13:42 (forty-two minutes ago) link

Dark and sobering, though I don't necessarily think they are all right.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 14:26 (two years ago) link

Thread author agrees with you. The question then becomes what they adjust or fall back on.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 14:38 (two years ago) link

Definitely has an air of "we will win because every single thing is going to go exactly according to plan." Which is never how things go.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 14:42 (two years ago) link

Looking at a bunch of the pro-Putin bloggers, Twitter accounts, etc, it’s incredibly obvious how much of an overlap there is between the language being used and the language used routinely by apologists for other outrages internationally.

This is a police action, not a war
The focus is on extremists and the leadership, not the country as a whole
Only military targets are being hit
Militants are hiding weapons in civilian infrastructure, so they’re to blame when civilians are killed
Militants are actively forcing civilians to stay in place so they’re hit

…and so on.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 14:51 (two years ago) link

Destroying the national identity of the citizens of a conquered country in a few weeks--that usually works, huh?

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 14:52 (two years ago) link

God!!! They're only making them madder!!!

frogbs, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 15:12 (two years ago) link

this fucking guy

There are no more “innocent” “neutral” Russians anymore. Everyone has to make a choice— support or oppose this war. The only way to end this war is if 100,000s, not thousands, protest against this senseless war. Putin can’t arrest you all!

— Michael McFaul (@McFaul) March 2, 2022

mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 15:19 (two years ago) link

That guy was ambassador to Russia?

jmm, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 15:30 (two years ago) link

"How can the Russian political class be this dumb?" *remembers the American political class*

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 15:33 (two years ago) link

Michael McFail

towards fungal computer (harbl), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 15:38 (two years ago) link

xp
one time* this guy Donald Trump was president of the united states

*well we'll see

rob, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 15:39 (two years ago) link

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.324A9TG

but who is fact checking the fact checkers

| (Latham Green), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 15:51 (two years ago) link

I get confused every time I see this guy because I think it's Michael McCaul, my congressional rep.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 16:14 (two years ago) link

that same gross argument was used to justify countless wars like Afghanistan/Iraq. "There are no innocent victims in war, if they didn't overthrow their corrupt government, they deserve what's coming to them" was a sentiment I ran into a lot in Florida.

sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 16:34 (two years ago) link

Also 9/11 itself!

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 16:35 (two years ago) link

yep

sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 16:39 (two years ago) link

yeah, those people in the WTC were servants of capitalism etc.

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 16:39 (two years ago) link

Guessing ppl making that argument are 100% onboard with everything their govts are up to? Or if not, working tirelessly every day to topple them, as they are aware that not doing so makes them complicit?

xposts

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 16:41 (two years ago) link

I believe this is the Death Star Janitors argument

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 16:43 (two years ago) link

It's the Ward Churchill 'little Eichmanns' argument

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 16:55 (two years ago) link

It's an absurd discussion to be having six days into a war that it's not even clear Russia's citizens know about or understand.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 17:11 (two years ago) link

being that the US has a history of having humongous chunks of our population full-throated cheerleading our wars, I assume McFaul will be issuing his personal apology for the last 200+ years

sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 17:15 (two years ago) link

Kasparov, meantime, is running out of patience.

Putin's war on Ukraine has entered its next phase, one of destruction and slaughter of civilians. It is also a part of Putin's World War, a war on the civilized world of international law, democracy, and any threat to his power, which he declared long ago. 1/13

— Garry Kasparov (@Kasparov63) March 2, 2022

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 19:46 (two years ago) link

check!

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 19:51 (two years ago) link

Good piece on NPR this afternoon on not only the curiously slow, almost cautious advance of Russia that counters their formidable reputation, but also on how Putin's full-force disinformation campaign (especially in Ukraine itself) seems to have failed everywhere but at home.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 23:51 (two years ago) link

Ukraine’s intelligence says Putin might consider imposing martial law in Russia on March 4.
Absolute maniac has pit himself in a death trap with his own stupid lunacy.

— Illia Ponomarenko (@IAPonomarenko) March 2, 2022

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 March 2022 00:04 (two years ago) link

might consider, hmm

sounds pretty solid

the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Thursday, 3 March 2022 00:22 (two years ago) link

what other options does he have after that michael mcfaul tweet

mookieproof, Thursday, 3 March 2022 00:28 (two years ago) link

I’m not sure he’s read it yet

Evan, Thursday, 3 March 2022 00:49 (two years ago) link

Ukraine’s intelligence says Putin might consider imposing martial law in Russia on March 4.

He might consider many things that day. Who is to say he won't?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 3 March 2022 00:58 (two years ago) link

Don't mock the guy, i'm gonna bet English is not his first language.

ian, Thursday, 3 March 2022 01:00 (two years ago) link

If you think he is trying to say something different, then, what would that be?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 3 March 2022 01:09 (two years ago) link

Big If True transcends language barriers

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 3 March 2022 01:13 (two years ago) link

Some more general info (second tweet explains his technical background for this)

This is a thread that will explain the implied poor Russian Army truck maintenance practices based on this photo of a Pantsir-S1 wheeled gun-missile system's right rear pair of tires below & the operational implications during the Ukrainian mud season.🧵

1/ pic.twitter.com/LmxW43v6gy

— Trent Telenko (@TrentTelenko) March 2, 2022

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 March 2022 01:39 (two years ago) link

Apparently people are leaving fake restaurant reviews for Russian restaurants on Tripadvisor - the reviews are bits of news about the Ukrainian situation that run counter to the propaganda being churned out by Russian media.

the thin blue lying (suzy), Thursday, 3 March 2022 08:23 (two years ago) link

Armchair war punditry on Twitter is the worst. 'Looks like a thermobaric rocket explosion to me!' says a random guy at home who didn't know they existed before last Friday.

Sam Weller, Thursday, 3 March 2022 08:37 (two years ago) link

twitter or anywhere really

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Thursday, 3 March 2022 08:49 (two years ago) link

Small but I believe not symbolically insignificant point: should we mod request to get the second "the" removed from thread title?

anatol_merklich, Thursday, 3 March 2022 09:53 (two years ago) link


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