your disappointment is noted. Now I'm fp'ing you for being such a vindictive bore.
― calzino, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 22:58 (two years ago) link
please explain why Tucker Carlson is relevant to this thread
― groovemaaan, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 23:02 (two years ago) link
It's a US politics thread, of course he's relevant.
― Blu Ray Davies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 23 February 2022 23:09 (two years ago) link
because he's like goebbels? he's the PR mouthpiece who provides a reason, if not a good one, for the masses (the most watched cable news show in the US, i think?), and they believe him no matter how little sense it makes? because he's one of the most prominent voices speaking in favor of Russia and against Ukraine, possibly in the entire United States? I won't speak beyond our horrible sphere. because trump will likely be president again in 2024, and ukraine and russia will probably still be countries then?
― dig your way out of the shit with a gold magic shovel! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 23 February 2022 23:11 (two years ago) link
i'm just some turd, but what does it look like in jan 2025 with president for life trump withdrawing u.s. from nato? beats me, but that's about 3 years from now so yeah, the big loud angry fucking asshole asswipe face on the screen, tucker carslon, the loudhorn for all this shit, is VERY FUCKING RELEVANT
― dig your way out of the shit with a gold magic shovel! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 23 February 2022 23:14 (two years ago) link
gonna fucking rip off my nipples in a second, jesus fucking christ
because he's one of the most prominent voices speaking in favor of Russia and against Ukraine, possibly in the entire United States?
ah got it, thanks
― groovemaaan, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 23:20 (two years ago) link
oh fuck, you got me groovemaan! it turns out there's more of a world than beyond these borders. i never thought of it like that
― dig your way out of the shit with a gold magic shovel! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 23 February 2022 23:22 (two years ago) link
i mean, what does public opinion in the united states have to do with ukraine? nothing at all!
― dig your way out of the shit with a gold magic shovel! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 23 February 2022 23:23 (two years ago) link
Zelenskiy’s speaking at the moment. He’s been consistently impressive over the last couple of weeks.
He addresses Russians in Russian."We are divided by a shared border of more than 2,000km. Almost 200,000 of your troops and thousands of military vehicles are standing alongside it. Your leadership has ordered them to move forward, onto another country's territory."— max seddon (@maxseddon) February 23, 2022
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Wednesday, 23 February 2022 23:25 (two years ago) link
Thread has a summary ^
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Wednesday, 23 February 2022 23:26 (two years ago) link
Yes, never mind that guy, whoever he is, let's get back to the people matter, some cunt on American television.
― Blu Ray Davies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 23 February 2022 23:28 (two years ago) link
thanks TOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
― dig your way out of the shit with a gold magic shovel! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 23 February 2022 23:31 (two years ago) link
hes absolutely right.
how can that be argued ffs.
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 February 2022 23:32 (two years ago) link
that Zelensky speech quoted in the Max Seddon thread is something
― Dan S, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 23:36 (two years ago) link
Yeah from my seat in the Great Satan Zelensky seems like a decent guy, at least as much as politicians can be.
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 23 February 2022 23:39 (two years ago) link
this thread is so gatekeeper-y, might as well be a reddit channel
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Thursday, 24 February 2022 00:01 (two years ago) link
i’ve been reading a lot of twitter content and associated things written by people in russia-adjacent countries and just been trying to wrap my mind around thingsthat and reading the two minsk agreements. total clusterfuck
― mh, Thursday, 24 February 2022 00:07 (two years ago) link
well, fuck. best of luck, Ukraine.
― frogbs, Thursday, 24 February 2022 03:11 (two years ago) link
oh jeez
― anvil, Thursday, 24 February 2022 03:12 (two years ago) link
For real now I guess
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 24 February 2022 03:36 (two years ago) link
Reports of heavy strikes from all across Ukraine— Illia Ponomarenko (@IAPonomarenko) February 24, 2022
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 24 February 2022 03:37 (two years ago) link
Looking like worst case scenario
― anvil, Thursday, 24 February 2022 03:41 (two years ago) link
Looks like Putin decided that the non-military responses that the US and NATO will implement, combined with whatever military response Ukraine will make, will not be damaging enough to offset whatever the fuck he thinks occupying Ukraine will gain him. War is always tempting when you are free to imagine a swift and decisive victory is within easy grasp. Speaking as an American who has watched this dynamic play out several times from my own government, reality has a way of overtaking such rosy imagined outcomes and delivering something much worse.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 24 February 2022 04:00 (two years ago) link
so uh what are the odds nukes are gonna be involved in this
― frogbs, Thursday, 24 February 2022 04:01 (two years ago) link
I'd say tiny. Putin fully expects his conventional army will prevail over Ukraine's armed forces rather easily and using nukes in a guerilla war would beyond madness.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 24 February 2022 04:03 (two years ago) link
Dawn in Kharkiv
― anvil, Thursday, 24 February 2022 04:08 (two years ago) link
This is going to be like Iraq - initial invasion over very quickly, but then months and months of bloody guerrilla warfare
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 24 February 2022 04:12 (two years ago) link
so glad everybody spent half this thread portending to know what was going to happen and shitting on everybody else and then the thing they said wouldn't happen happened
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Thursday, 24 February 2022 04:19 (two years ago) link
*pretending
yeah the whole "America/American media really wants there to be a war" thing not looking so great when Russia wound up doing exactly what US intel agencies said they were gonna do
― frogbs, Thursday, 24 February 2022 04:22 (two years ago) link
As awful as it would be in terms of massive civilian deaths and protracted war, the Ukrainian government should be caching small arms, ammunition, land mines, mortars and similar armaments in small amounts all over the country. If the second half of the 20th century taught us anything about warfare, it's that nukes are useless as offensive weapons and any country willing to fight a long, bloody guerilla war is nearly certain to expel an invader.
otoh, civil wars are more of a toss-up. If there's enough pro-Russian sentiment in Ukraine, Putin may well grab the prize he's reaching for. But what puzzles me most are the stakes he's hoping to win? What kind of valuable power will accrue to Russia if he succeeds?
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 24 February 2022 04:28 (two years ago) link
wonder what China thinks of Putin's enthusiastic support for rogue breakaway republics
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 24 February 2022 04:31 (two years ago) link
Open season?
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 24 February 2022 04:40 (two years ago) link
strikes in Moldova too? is this confirmed?
― anvil, Thursday, 24 February 2022 04:55 (two years ago) link
a lot of false reports going around so who knows
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 24 February 2022 05:00 (two years ago) link
China is salivating at the idea of doing the same thing to Taiwan, I’m sure. Situation is obv different in many ways but if the world rolls over on this, it might be open season
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 24 February 2022 05:04 (two years ago) link
Flightradar shows a commercial flight taking off from Chisinau to Milan as scheduled so hopefully not
― anvil, Thursday, 24 February 2022 05:07 (two years ago) link
Either Russian tanks entering through Belarus or actual Belarusian military is joining in?!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 24 February 2022 05:37 (two years ago) link
Fox News (Ingram, Greenwald, etc. on the air) on the side of Russia is something else.
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Thursday, 24 February 2022 05:41 (two years ago) link
Yeah I’m kind of freaked out by that
― frogbs, Thursday, 24 February 2022 05:43 (two years ago) link
Flight landing in Chisinau from Iasi so the Moldova stuff looks not to be true
― anvil, Thursday, 24 February 2022 05:53 (two years ago) link
Is fox all-in pro Russia now, or just some of the lunatics? Any chance this wakes some Americans up to what unhinged trash the network is?!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 24 February 2022 05:57 (two years ago) link
Well, the big guy called in:
Trump is angrily denouncing a President right now on Fox News, and it’s not Putin.— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) February 24, 2022
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Thursday, 24 February 2022 06:01 (two years ago) link
And this is Greenwald tonight. But you're right: it'll be important whether the Fox & Friends and other anchor follow suit, or tow the same line with this.
Glenn Greenwald on Fox News just now blames the “extremely unhinged conspiracy theory about Russia taking over American institutions” for spoiling US-Russia relations & ruining Trump’s opportunity to work with Putin. He thinks that’s to blame for Russia invading Ukraine. Amazing. pic.twitter.com/AwtG7mCJ8I— Caroline Orr Bueno, Ph.D (@RVAwonk) February 24, 2022
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Thursday, 24 February 2022 06:04 (two years ago) link
someone launch a full-scale attack on the fucker's laptop, please
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Thursday, 24 February 2022 06:32 (two years ago) link
what is cnn playing
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Thursday, 24 February 2022 07:45 (two years ago) link
A couple of good people to follow to get a sense of what’s happening:
@KofmanMichael - military analyst
@kgorchinskaya - Ukrainian journalist with Forbes
@shaunwalker7 - Guardian
@polinaivanovva - FT
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Thursday, 24 February 2022 07:50 (two years ago) link
ty
― mookieproof, Thursday, 24 February 2022 08:25 (two years ago) link
As I sit here in a nation bordering Ukraine I'm pretty darn thankful that (1) I live in a NATO country and (2) Trump is not US president right now. Scary shit.
― Sam Weller, Thursday, 24 February 2022 08:28 (two years ago) link