ok what the fuck is happening in ukraine

doesn't seem hawkish to me - he's talking sanctions and stepping up on the refugee support (which would be an interesting turn of events after afghanistan and the redistribution of afghani funds to 9/11 victims)

very much appreciate that last sentence

we'll see if trump takes a hit or whatever. as with every other time, i doubt it, and if i had to guess, it's because conservatives don't care about europe, and in fact a lot of them have a longheld but barely explained feeling that they don't like europeans. why? beats me, i'm just telling you what i heard, what i feel. i think for a lot of them it has to do with the united nations and a longheld but barely explained feeling that they don't like the european union. America First might be a slogan for some of this large group of conservatives who think maybe, who the fuck cares about what's going on over there. was it that bad when trump abruptly left syria? sure, there was some news about that, but not on any of tho shows they followed, so either way it didn't mqtter.

also, now there is a whole generation, maybe more, of young republican turning point usa pricks that grew up post-cold war. don't get me wrong, i think that they could be reoriented to battle the great loom communism threat again, given a couple years of Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia kind of reprogramming. but right now, pre-reprogramming, i don't think they really care about russia or what they do, and that they do probably putin because he rode a horse with no shirt on and pulled it off

"Sanctions tend to be bad for citizens"

99.9% of US foreign interventions of the last 70 years has been bad for citizens somewhere. Yet here we are with American posters rallying around their murderous, lying military industrial complex against another *bad regime* thousands of miles away from their homeland again. The sooner the Yellowstone caldera goes pop the better imo.

who is rallying around them? just making sure you don't mean me. is bernie sanders rallying around them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzsmciMNAGU

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no not personally directed towards you, just the widespread US riff-raff consensus on here

i guess i'm just not sure what the consensus is here, anyway. there is more of a discernible consensus in the media and, as usual, a bi-partisan coalition of hawkish senators (100% of the GOP, I believe, and probably 50% of the Democratic ones? I'm guessing), more than enough to pass whatever gigantic defense bill they want, year after year until it all goes boom. that's a kind of consensus.

i don't see that here but i haven't read every single word

The sooner the Yellowstone caldera goes pop the better imo.

You cite this as if it would be a US catastrophe and not a global one.

yeah but at least we could have a few street parties before the negativel climate and crop effects kicked in

not being completely serious here btw

when putin gets criticised from an unexpected direction pic.twitter.com/3POr2H5VLd

— Ilya Lozovsky (@ichbinilya) February 22, 2022

The sooner the Yellowstone caldera goes pop the better imo.

― calzino, Tuesday, February 22, 2022 3:07 PM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'll have you know that this is an unlikely event overhyped in the media's coverage of any new findings. Yet here we are with British posters rallying around their internet geologists against another *bad volcano* thousands of miles away from their homeland again.

I like to see myself as more of a mystic volcano whisperer rather than "internet geologist"!

a goth Moana

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/02/the-putin-ukraine-hoax-hoax

99.9% of US foreign interventions of the last 70 years has been bad for citizens somewhere.

Why not make it 80 years?

How many foreign interventions by any country can you think of that were just great for civilians? Ofc, if non-military humanitarian aid and disaster relief is going to be included among those interventions, then I think that 99.9% number for the US needs to be revised down a bit.

No, no revisions, not even to -0.01%

This guy is absolutely undefeated pic.twitter.com/HvbvAsG7wJ

— james hennessy (@jrhennessy) February 22, 2022

How many foreign interventions by any country can you think of that were just great for civilians?

India’s support during the Bangladesh Liberation War was pretty key.

Alright. We found one!

(Checks Wikipedia under: Bangladesh Liberation War)

Civilian deaths:[10] Estimates range between 300,000 and 3,000,000.

but that’s not the doing of Indians. Good ole Kissinger and West Pakistan are responsible.

more like the military intervention by India put a quick stop to the conflict and halted the civilian death toll from getting still higher. sorry that wasn't clear.

Saying Putin is a hawk is just criticism of Putin, it’s not asking the US for military intervention, acting like Sanders (of all politicians) is suddenly Dick Cheney is a little much.

the leftist twitter response to Bernie has reminded me that leftist twitter is garbage

Sorry that was a bit of hyperbole but in comparison to the Tucker Carlsons and JD Vance’s of the world it’s more interventionist. Right now people are only talking about sanctions but if this progresses to full scale invasion/ occupation there will be talk about providing other kinds of support to Ukraine that will blur the line between military and non-military logistical or intelligence support.

the tucker carlsons and jd vances of the world believe that putin has the right to take over half or all of ukraine if he wants to, so yeah, i guess they're non-interventionist.

apparently Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics have both called for Russian military aid

Did everyone there yell this out their windows, like in Network?

take it to the American politics thread, dickheads

I don't understand how calzino's tone is accepted around here, I really don't.

Seconded.

jon, you are one of the most whiny pathetic self-pitying middle class wimps I've ever read on here. Betamax, you can go fuck yourself as well, you utter tool.

I'll second and third that

I'll fourth it.

what exactly is considered acceptable for this thread?

It is acceptable to know exactly what is going to happen

Just wish we could have a discussion without some people coming in just to insult others.

I really couldn't give a shit what you think of me, but I made one solitary post itt today that was a very specific, direct reference to a newsworthy development without any additional commentary or opinion included at all. Personal attacks in response were unwarranted and it's disappointing to see that there isn't any pushback at all against that sort of thing these days.

your disappointment is noted. Now I'm fp'ing you for being such a vindictive bore.

please explain why Tucker Carlson is relevant to this thread

It's a US politics thread, of course he's relevant.

because he's like goebbels? he's the PR mouthpiece who provides a reason, if not a good one, for the masses (the most watched cable news show in the US, i think?), and they believe him no matter how little sense it makes? because he's one of the most prominent voices speaking in favor of Russia and against Ukraine, possibly in the entire United States? I won't speak beyond our horrible sphere. because trump will likely be president again in 2024, and ukraine and russia will probably still be countries then?

i'm just some turd, but what does it look like in jan 2025 with president for life trump withdrawing u.s. from nato? beats me, but that's about 3 years from now so yeah, the big loud angry fucking asshole asswipe face on the screen, tucker carslon, the loudhorn for all this shit, is VERY FUCKING RELEVANT

gonna fucking rip off my nipples in a second, jesus fucking christ

because he's one of the most prominent voices speaking in favor of Russia and against Ukraine, possibly in the entire United States?

ah got it, thanks

oh fuck, you got me groovemaan! it turns out there's more of a world than beyond these borders. i never thought of it like that

i mean, what does public opinion in the united states have to do with ukraine? nothing at all!

Zelenskiy’s speaking at the moment. He’s been consistently impressive over the last couple of weeks.

He addresses Russians in Russian.

"We are divided by a shared border of more than 2,000km. Almost 200,000 of your troops and thousands of military vehicles are standing alongside it. Your leadership has ordered them to move forward, onto another country's territory."

— max seddon (@maxseddon) February 23, 2022