ok what the fuck is happening in ukraine

He could have mentioned Hunter Biden 7.3/10

I love how conservatives were lining up to say an invasion didn't happen during the Trump years because he was so strong and scary and unpredictable, and then he just comes out with over-the-top Putin ass kissing

I heard Susan Glasser (New Yorker staff writer and CNN global affairs analyst) on the Brian Lehrer show yesterday, and though of course she had nothing positive to say about Trump's constant kissing of Putin's ass, she actually endorsed the idea that Putin may not have wanted to make his move on Ukraine with Trump in office because he (Trump) was too unpredictable, i.e. Putin couldn't count on him to act along lines of US's rational self-interest.

Apparently, that is why Mark Milley felt the need to reassure the Chinese we weren't going to attack them.

it's wonderful, we should do it "south of the border," and it would never have happened if he were still in office.

the "Mad Idiot" theory

I think there's something to that actually

Yes, the crazy uncle.

Can we get an update whether all this is still just “saber rattling“?

You can feel free to reread the post I made about the five days ago if you like.

This one?

after being bombarded 24/7 with 🚨 BREAKING, PUTIN TO INVADE ANY MINUTE NOW 🚨 only for the situation to be gradually de-escalated is probably the clearest sign you'll get that the press are just stenographers for imperialist interests. add it to the chart next to WMDs

— pez 🇬🇭 (@periuspb) February 16, 2022
a more accurate take
― mardheamac (gyac), Wednesday, February 16, 2022 10:09 AM (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don’t think you understand the disputed regions, but please, I’m sure this thread needs to get worse.

Please explain?

I explained what I thought five days ago, nice linking a tweet (not written by me) six days ago on the basis of the situation as it looked then though. It’s on the basis of understanding that Russia is pretty unlikely to roll tanks into Kyiv and mount a full scale invasion, it doesn’t benefit them to engage in an all-out war (which is the worst possible outcome) so they are unlikely to do it, the regions that Russia have officially sent troops into are ones they’ve been fucking around with for years already. In any case, as I explained already, Russia’s position both geographical and economical proximity to Europe means that a certain amount of fuckery will be tolerated. The sanctions announced early today are fine, but there’s really not much that can be done, all the options apart from deescalation are bad. Sanctions tend to be bad for citizens.

US politics are very weird these days. Pro-Trump wing of GOP basically saying that what Putin does in Ukraine is none of our business, and then you have Bernie Sanders making hawkish noises:

Vladimir Putin’s latest invasion of Ukraine is an indefensible violation of international law, regardless of whatever false pretext he offers. There has always been a diplomatic solution to this situation. Tragically, Putin appears intent on rejecting it. pic.twitter.com/PUNIJSZMEk

— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) February 22, 2022

doesn't seem hawkish to me - he's talking sanctions and stepping up on the refugee support (which would be an interesting turn of events after afghanistan and the redistribution of afghani funds to 9/11 victims)

very much appreciate that last sentence

we'll see if trump takes a hit or whatever. as with every other time, i doubt it, and if i had to guess, it's because conservatives don't care about europe, and in fact a lot of them have a longheld but barely explained feeling that they don't like europeans. why? beats me, i'm just telling you what i heard, what i feel. i think for a lot of them it has to do with the united nations and a longheld but barely explained feeling that they don't like the european union. America First might be a slogan for some of this large group of conservatives who think maybe, who the fuck cares about what's going on over there. was it that bad when trump abruptly left syria? sure, there was some news about that, but not on any of tho shows they followed, so either way it didn't mqtter.

also, now there is a whole generation, maybe more, of young republican turning point usa pricks that grew up post-cold war. don't get me wrong, i think that they could be reoriented to battle the great loom communism threat again, given a couple years of Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia kind of reprogramming. but right now, pre-reprogramming, i don't think they really care about russia or what they do, and that they do probably putin because he rode a horse with no shirt on and pulled it off

"Sanctions tend to be bad for citizens"

99.9% of US foreign interventions of the last 70 years has been bad for citizens somewhere. Yet here we are with American posters rallying around their murderous, lying military industrial complex against another *bad regime* thousands of miles away from their homeland again. The sooner the Yellowstone caldera goes pop the better imo.

who is rallying around them? just making sure you don't mean me. is bernie sanders rallying around them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzsmciMNAGU

xp
no not personally directed towards you, just the widespread US riff-raff consensus on here

i guess i'm just not sure what the consensus is here, anyway. there is more of a discernible consensus in the media and, as usual, a bi-partisan coalition of hawkish senators (100% of the GOP, I believe, and probably 50% of the Democratic ones? I'm guessing), more than enough to pass whatever gigantic defense bill they want, year after year until it all goes boom. that's a kind of consensus.

i don't see that here but i haven't read every single word

The sooner the Yellowstone caldera goes pop the better imo.

You cite this as if it would be a US catastrophe and not a global one.

yeah but at least we could have a few street parties before the negativel climate and crop effects kicked in

not being completely serious here btw

when putin gets criticised from an unexpected direction pic.twitter.com/3POr2H5VLd

— Ilya Lozovsky (@ichbinilya) February 22, 2022

The sooner the Yellowstone caldera goes pop the better imo.

― calzino, Tuesday, February 22, 2022 3:07 PM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'll have you know that this is an unlikely event overhyped in the media's coverage of any new findings. Yet here we are with British posters rallying around their internet geologists against another *bad volcano* thousands of miles away from their homeland again.

I like to see myself as more of a mystic volcano whisperer rather than "internet geologist"!

a goth Moana

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/02/the-putin-ukraine-hoax-hoax

99.9% of US foreign interventions of the last 70 years has been bad for citizens somewhere.

Why not make it 80 years?

How many foreign interventions by any country can you think of that were just great for civilians? Ofc, if non-military humanitarian aid and disaster relief is going to be included among those interventions, then I think that 99.9% number for the US needs to be revised down a bit.

No, no revisions, not even to -0.01%

This guy is absolutely undefeated pic.twitter.com/HvbvAsG7wJ

— james hennessy (@jrhennessy) February 22, 2022

How many foreign interventions by any country can you think of that were just great for civilians?

India’s support during the Bangladesh Liberation War was pretty key.

Alright. We found one!

(Checks Wikipedia under: Bangladesh Liberation War)

Civilian deaths:[10] Estimates range between 300,000 and 3,000,000.

but that’s not the doing of Indians. Good ole Kissinger and West Pakistan are responsible.

more like the military intervention by India put a quick stop to the conflict and halted the civilian death toll from getting still higher. sorry that wasn't clear.

Saying Putin is a hawk is just criticism of Putin, it’s not asking the US for military intervention, acting like Sanders (of all politicians) is suddenly Dick Cheney is a little much.

the leftist twitter response to Bernie has reminded me that leftist twitter is garbage

Sorry that was a bit of hyperbole but in comparison to the Tucker Carlsons and JD Vance’s of the world it’s more interventionist. Right now people are only talking about sanctions but if this progresses to full scale invasion/ occupation there will be talk about providing other kinds of support to Ukraine that will blur the line between military and non-military logistical or intelligence support.

the tucker carlsons and jd vances of the world believe that putin has the right to take over half or all of ukraine if he wants to, so yeah, i guess they're non-interventionist.

apparently Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics have both called for Russian military aid

Did everyone there yell this out their windows, like in Network?

take it to the American politics thread, dickheads

I don't understand how calzino's tone is accepted around here, I really don't.

Seconded.

jon, you are one of the most whiny pathetic self-pitying middle class wimps I've ever read on here. Betamax, you can go fuck yourself as well, you utter tool.

I'll second and third that