even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

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"No flutes for us" would be a good title for this thread

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 17 February 2022 19:23 (two years ago) link

I definitely agree with one part of that: QR code menus are the work of Satan.

o. nate, Thursday, 17 February 2022 22:05 (two years ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/realestate/new-yorkers-return-nyc-pandemic.html

For Andrew Joseph, the unexpected challenge of rural living was summed up in a single word: beavers. Mr. Joseph was enchanted by baby beavers swimming in the brook on his four-acre property in the town of Saugerties, N.Y., where he and his partner, Paul Pearson, have been sheltering since March 2020.

“I quickly learned that they’re horrible, nasty creatures that wreak havoc and destruction,” said Mr. Joseph, the head of a Manhattan public relations firm who still maintains a home in Harlem.

rob, Friday, 25 February 2022 14:38 (two years ago) link

what a fucking idiot

Number None, Friday, 25 February 2022 16:39 (two years ago) link

“I quickly learned that they’re horrible, nasty creatures that wreak havoc and destruction,”

he said of wealthy New Yorkers buying up property in rural areas upstate, before returning to the subject of beavers

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 25 February 2022 16:52 (two years ago) link

nice

Tracer Hand, Friday, 25 February 2022 16:54 (two years ago) link

But some days I say I don’t know if I can do this again,” said Rebekah Rosler, a New York transplant to Fairfield, Conn.,

are you fucking kidding me

towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 25 February 2022 17:08 (two years ago) link

Oh I know who that is, lol. She runs a very large FB group for transplants where many people overdramatize the quiddities and agonies of leaving NYC in protracted monologues. I assume the article mentions that.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 25 February 2022 17:12 (two years ago) link

“Everybody has lots and lots of feelings,” said Rebekah Rosler, 42, the founder of a Facebook group called “Into the Unknown,” which she conceived in the spring of 2020 for “those of us who have decided or are considering — willingly or otherwise — to join the exodus from NYC to greener pastures.”

fairfield being the "unknown" for people who move from NYC is something

towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 25 February 2022 17:15 (two years ago) link

“I quickly learned that they’re horrible, nasty creatures that wreak havoc and destruction,”

he said of wealthy New Yorkers buying up property in rural areas upstate, before returning to the subject of beavers

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, February 25, 2022 11:52 AM (twenty-five minutes ago)

I was going to make a game-recognize-game joke about public relations but this is better

rob, Friday, 25 February 2022 17:20 (two years ago) link

I mean, can you even GET authentic Babylonian flrzkigribl at 3 AM in Fairfield?

Rubes; don't even know the correct temperature for an Americano. Out there in the sticks, might as well be in fucking Iowa or some shit.

squid pro quo (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 25 February 2022 17:20 (two years ago) link

you have to go all the way to westport for flrzkigribl

towards fungal computer (harbl), Friday, 25 February 2022 17:21 (two years ago) link

not simply living in saugerties but sheltering there

mookieproof, Friday, 25 February 2022 17:27 (two years ago) link

Disgusting savages

calstars, Friday, 25 February 2022 17:29 (two years ago) link

I camerties, I saugerties, I shelteredeties

squid pro quo (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 25 February 2022 17:31 (two years ago) link

if you're gonna complain about living in saugerties, at least have the courtesy to make some basement tapes

roflrofl fight (voodoo chili), Friday, 25 February 2022 17:31 (two years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/3hD82lI.jpg

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 1 March 2022 23:55 (two years ago) link

Lmao

calstars, Tuesday, 1 March 2022 23:58 (two years ago) link

This is a total "overachieving college student" thing to do, fairly pretentious but I find it kind of sweet, right down to the "I'm not gonna say I go to Princeton but I go to Princeton" thing

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 01:05 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

https://i.imgur.com/wdu1xR9.png

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 2 June 2022 21:23 (two years ago) link

i know the real estate section is too easy but sometimes y’know it just really fuckin sticks out

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 2 June 2022 21:38 (two years ago) link

are they oblivious or is it a trophy

mookieproof, Thursday, 2 June 2022 22:11 (two years ago) link

How people make this level of bank

calstars, Thursday, 2 June 2022 22:43 (two years ago) link

tried to read the article but only got as far as seeing they are limited to a 10% down payment. not sure why they didn't express that as a dollar amount since it should be the purchase price that is uncertain? anyway my advice is they should try living somewhere else instead of paying a mortgage on $720k. that sounds miserable.

towards fungal computer (harbl), Thursday, 2 June 2022 23:06 (two years ago) link

haha my mortgage is more than that fml

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 3 June 2022 15:44 (two years ago) link

I would love to live somewhere else btw

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 3 June 2022 15:45 (two years ago) link

Tbf they’re probably paying less in mortgage and condo fees than they were renting in fort greene if they bought at the start of the year when rates were still 3ish %

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 3 June 2022 15:47 (two years ago) link

I would love to live somewhere else btw

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, June 3, 2022 10:45 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

If you could pack up and move your whole life, where would you go?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 3 June 2022 16:09 (two years ago) link

I'd never even heard of this magazine, and now they're trying to hide their true selves? Fuuuuck that.

Why is the Financial Times Trying to Hide the Wealth Porn?

We know, we know: We live in the era of “eat the rich.” Conspicuous consumption is supposed to turn our collectively enlightened stomachs.

But who does the Financial Times think it is fooling by rebranding How to Spend It? That’s the tasty glossy magazine that comes tucked inside the weekend edition of the pink-paged British broadsheet. It is the most trusted Baedeker of bankers, oligarchs, and what Evelyn Waugh called “the sound old snobbery of pound sterling and strawberry leaves.” After Muammar Qaddafi’s Tripoli compound was stormed by Libyan rebels, one journalist reported finding a “well-thumbed” copy of How to Spend It on the dictator’s coffee table. Last weekend’s issue featured an actual statue of Bacchus once owned by Hubert de Givenchy and currently priced at over €1 million. In terms of opulence, How to Spend It makes the New York Times’ T Magazine and The Wall Street Journal’s WSJ. — and even Luxx, which is put out by the Times of London — seem if not populist then at least relatively approachable. How to Spend It once claimed that one in five of its readers has, or would consider using, a private jet. Maybe consider is the key word here. Part of the fun of the magazine is to imagine yourself having to weigh the pros and cons of private jettery. (And I know exactly where in my apartment I would put that Bacchus.)

So it was perplexing when its editor, Jo Ellison, decided this week to do away with the magazine’s title in an attempt to insert a modicum of modesty into this hard-core wealth porn. “From this weekend, we will publish as HTSI magazine,” she wrote in her editor’s letter. “We will offer new interpretations of the ‘s.’” One such interpretation? “How to save it.” That sounds … responsible. But not very fun. Ellison ticked off a bunch of un-fun things — the war in Ukraine, the pandemic, the housing crisis — as suddenly intruding on her greedy glossy and necessitating the change, concluding, “We just want HTSI to reflect the deeper sensitivities and priorities of a changing world.”

Admittedly “the title gets up many people’s noses,” as Lucia van der Post, one of How to Spend It’s former editors told me of the old name. But the rebrand does seem like hollow virtue signaling. I emailed Ellison to ask why the house organ of the golden calf suddenly lost its sybaritic nerve. “I don’t really know what you mean by virtue signalling in this context,” Ellison wrote back from the Faroe Islands. “There are many luxury brands and labels who will have been profoundly affected by the war in Ukraine. Likewise the pandemic. While we would never change our coverage to focus on any news subject exclusively, I think it would be naive to pretend that world events aren’t happening. I don’t think any magazine can exist in the modern era without acknowledging, reflecting and responding intelligently to the times we live in — even if that simply means reflecting on how consumer tastes have changed. Which they have, as I said, we have broadened our content considerably to become more news reactive and it has only become stronger and more widely read as a result. I know what our role is — and it is mostly to be diverting and aspirational. But a magazine still has to be relevant, no?”

By which I guess she means that Croesus is now into meditation and wants a vegan option. The acclaimed English novelist and FT contributor Henry Porter told me he views the new name as merely “camouflage for consumer porn.” “My sense is that people don’t want to be seen reading How to Spend It at a time when a very large part of the British Public face a winter relying on food banks — there are 1,172 in England alone — or choosing between eating and heating, as the grim new slogan goes,” he said via email. “So, it’s more to do with the sensitivities of the super/very rich rather than virtue signalling. I mean they aren’t going to drop the Bulgari and Versace ads, are they?"

Andrew Neil, Britain’s feared broadcaster and a proprietor of The Spectator, calls Ellison’s maneuver “nonsense” and told me, “The FT has been awash with posh lefties embarrassed by the wealth of their readers for quite some time now.” He’s got a point. In 2020, the FT issued “a new brand campaign,” even wrapping the physical newspaper in a special message touting, “Capitalism. Time for a reset.” (That will distract the next Baader-Meinhof Gang from going on the attack for sure.) Other London media folk tell me How to Spend It’s bling-bling bowdlerization reminds them of the recent identity crisis Tatler suffered. That magazine attempted to de-posh but had to reverse course after realizing its readers really do just want to read about the absurdities of ladies-in-waiting. Chris Rovzar, the editorial director of Bloomberg’s luxury franchise Bloomberg Pursuits, tweeted, “‘How To Spend It’ is one of the all-time great media names. Everyone’s always jealous of it because it says exactly what it is, in a cheeky way. This is so silly and tiresome."

“Hey, we’re no hairshirts,” Ellison assured me by email. “When it comes to the best possible way to spend it, we’re still the holy grail.” So then why change the name? “I just don’t feel especially enthusiastic about going out in to the world with a title (conceived in the yuppie era nineties) that feels a little gauche, and, I think, somewhat dated at this moment following a global health pandemic and one of the most profound cost of living crises in decades.”

It first became a magazine in 1992 (the same year the New York Times launched the “Style” section, seeking fashion adverts), but the title dates to a page in the newspaper itself in 1967, then written by journalist Sheila Black. All week long, the FT would tell London’s financiers how to make their money; come weekends, Black argued, there should be a page to tell them how to spend it. Black’s successor was van der Post, who joined the paper in 1973 and became an authority on luxury in London. (Her father was a spiritual adviser to Prince Charles and godfather to Prince William.) “It was originally a page. Sometimes, in slightly flusher times, it would be two pages,” said van der Post when I rang her up in London. “Gradually, the paper grew from being the parish newspaper of the city of London to a much-admired international newspaper, so the pages grew and the sophistication of the coverage grew.” She eventually spun the “Spend It” pages into its own magazine, partly to satisfy advertisers who wanted their ads to appear on glossy print. (The Times didn’t launch T until 2004; WSJ. came along in 2008.)

Van der Post recalled uproars about the title during previous economic downturns. (The Thatcher years were no picnic.) Once, a distinguished publisher sent her a letter calling the publication’s name a vulgar insult to the times in which they lived. Van der Post published the letter and promised a case of Champagne to anyone who could come up with something better. No one could, and she became “inundated with hundreds of letters of support from readers, who almost at once declared the title honest and refreshing.”

In 1998, she handed the magazine to Gillian de Bono, who would edit it for the next 20 years, transforming it into something far more opulent, until Ellison took over in 2019. De Bono told me she wouldn’t have changed the title “for the reason that, since the 1970s, this question has come up, and every time the decision was made — the title was iconic, the magazine was iconic, and it was sort of a sacred title, a sacred sub-brand of the FT.” The question certainly came up after the financial crash of 2008. Lionel Barber edited the FT from 2005 to 2020, and in his recent memoir, The Powerful and the Damned (it’s a bit like Tina Brown’s Vanity Fair Diaries but for the go-go globalist aughts), he wrote about how he had to “summon” de Bono to his office, telling her, “I don’t give a damn what you call it. Just no more Bonus Issue!”

HTSI sounds like something you’d better hope an anti-biotic can clear up. What does de Bono make of it? “I find it quite a cold title, just initials,” she said, adding that it could be confusing to new readers. She said her magazine learned how to adapt without changing its name, adding subjects such as environmentalism and philanthropy to its remit as the years went on. Of course it also put super-cars on the cover and a jet plane it called “a supercar for the skies.” (Parallel parking must be a cinch!)

Not everybody can afford to play with these toys. But somebody can, and changing the name of this magazine is not going to change the inequality or waste of this world one little bit. And really, what’s the harm of How to Spend It if all its readers are in on the joke?

Take a magazine like Town & Country, which is at its most successful when it just accepts that its readers want to know about stuff like Sunny von Bülow’s daughter’s caftan line. Flipping through its sleek new summer issue, in which a $70,000 Todd Reed necklace with emeralds and white diamonds is recommended, one gets the feeling it won’t be doing away with its annual jewelry awards or changing any names soon. And why should it?

“We are not embarrassed that we cover beautiful things; that is our job,” said Stellene Volandes, the editor of Town & Country. A luxury title ought to cover the world of its readers, but as Volandes points out, “We engage wealth as a journalistic subject. Tom Wolfe called it ‘plutography.’ At the T&C offices, we call it our ‘crazy money’ stories. So as much as we have our eyes wide open to where our readers should go on vacation and what they might buy at Cartier, we also have our eyes wide open to the absurdities of wealth and also the responsibilities of wealth. I think that has guided us through difficult times and what remain to be difficult times. The original editor’s letter from 1846 has the mission of the magazine, and the two men who founded it said that their mission was to ‘instruct, refine and amuse,’” said Volandes. “And we take the amuse part really seriously.”

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 3 June 2022 20:10 (two years ago) link

Short shameful confession: I developed a taste for the FT back in my World Bank days. And I miss the old HTSI.

Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Friday, 3 June 2022 21:40 (two years ago) link

FT’s a good paper placed in context, but unlike the wall street journal they don’t offer you $4/mo for threatening to cancel your subscription, so i don’t get it anymore. does seem like a category error to deglam the private jet report, but no doubt it’s acting there as an accurate thermostat of elite vanity and delusion, like “ESG scores” have the last few years lol.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 3 June 2022 21:49 (two years ago) link

I subscribe to FT weekday paper edition only, which is the cheapest option they offer. But for whatever reason we almost always receive the weekend edition too, and even often the WSJ bundled with FT during the week. I guess most subscribers get both, and its easier for the delivery person to just bundle them together? In any case it works out to be not such a bad deal. I never read How to Spend It though, and don't expect it to change with the new title. My favorite part of the weekend edition is usually the Lunch with FT feature.

o. nate, Saturday, 4 June 2022 23:04 (two years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Some kind of apotheosis for the NYT here: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/01/style/solveig-gold-joshua-katz-princeton-professor.html

Solveig Gold Is Proud to Be the Wife of a ‘Canceled’ Princeton Professor

But she also wants to be known as more. At dinner with the aspiring public intellectual and her “cabal.”

rob, Saturday, 2 July 2022 13:40 (two years ago) link

Princeton sounds like absolute hell.

jmm, Saturday, 2 July 2022 13:59 (two years ago) link

no way Anemona Hartocollis is a real name for a real person

Roz, Saturday, 2 July 2022 18:22 (two years ago) link

When I was in college not far from there we used to drive down to Princeton to go to PREX and Hoagie Haven and a thrift store that was on the way. The students there had the most awful vibe, like if you crossed the pretty boy bad guy and the dweeby protagonist from an 80s comedy in the same person.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 2 July 2022 18:28 (two years ago) link

That's unreadable, nothing about this woman merits so many words.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 2 July 2022 20:26 (two years ago) link

The article is paywalled, but is this the wife of the professor who was investigated and suspended for having a multi-year "consensual relationship" with a female student?

Canceled, indeed.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 2 July 2022 20:30 (two years ago) link

And judging from the graduates it produces, yes, Princeton is an absolute hell.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 2 July 2022 20:31 (two years ago) link

tbf to Princeton, they did at least fire the predatory jackhole who is semi-profiled in this deranged article!

rob, Saturday, 2 July 2022 20:35 (two years ago) link

It's a little unclear, but apparently there was more than one relationship? And Solveig Gold, who is now his wife, was one of them?

This kind of thing was rampant in my law school back in the 90s. The school turned a blind eye. It was demoralizing and creepy.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 2 July 2022 20:37 (two years ago) link

Yes, there was more than one. The article lays out a timeline wherein Gold had graduated by the time their relationship had commenced, but ummmmmmmmmm sure

rob, Saturday, 2 July 2022 20:40 (two years ago) link

otoh his personal attorney is also a former student of his, so maybe Princeton is essentially an alien world I cannot understand

rob, Saturday, 2 July 2022 20:41 (two years ago) link

“The professors are afraid to take students out to coffee or lunches,” Dr. Katz said. “Last I asked, a major part of education was extracurricular activity.” He added, “People are going to jump on me — ‘I know what he means by extracurricular activity.’” Later, he insisted on adding a clarification: “That’s obviously not what I mean.”

Good joek

jmm, Saturday, 2 July 2022 20:53 (two years ago) link

idk, seems like an intriguing step forward; not sure anyone before has gained entry into the intellectual dark web because their creepy 25-years-older spouse was ~cancelled~

mookieproof, Saturday, 2 July 2022 21:02 (two years ago) link

"The professors are afraid" LOL

He means it's getting harder and harder to get away with taking advantage of the power differential and pressuring/cajoling/charming undergraduates into sex.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 2 July 2022 21:07 (two years ago) link

right?!? let’s think about the real victims here

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 3 July 2022 01:32 (two years ago) link

"Geez, you can't even buy a lady a drink anymore" says man who regularly roofies drinks

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 3 July 2022 01:57 (two years ago) link

I've worked at two large land-grant state schools and reading shit like this just boggles my mind, these people are so absolutely unlike anyone I've ever encountered in academia.

At my most recent new faculty orientation there one of the speakers was from HR and came out and said extremely loudly and forcefully "Do not sleep with your students. In case you weren't paying attention, I repeat: DO NOT SLEEP WITH YOUR STUDENTS OR YOU WILL BE FIRED".

joygoat, Sunday, 3 July 2022 14:08 (two years ago) link


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