When did parents start using leashes on their kids?

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(And that's not saying that your kid/newphews are saints and other people have brats -- just that all kids are different! And they require different approaches to parenting / discipline / learning / safety / EVERYTHING.)

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link

YOU SEE? JESUS DIDN'T TURN OUT BAD!

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link

bah xpost!

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I prefer the chemical leash:

http://www.pharmacyseek.com/images/meds/ritalin.jpg

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:20 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.astro-nut.com/john_dobson___child_with_jump_rope.jpg

YEEHAW!! ROUND UP DEM LITTLE DOGIES!!!!

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh for fuck's sake, are we really at the "I'm a better parent than you" stage of discussion-board maturation?

didn't we have a "what will a middle-aged ILX argue about" thread?

kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:21 (eighteen years ago) link

i am not saying that the RARE circumstance does not exist that would warrant such a contraption. perhaps that is true for onimo. it just seems that many who enlist the device do so because they would rather tie the child to their person than be bothered to pay enough attention to keep hold of them. they seem to be overused. like television/kid's videos, i guess.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.infinityproducts.com/images/009.jpg

LOOK AT THIS MISERABLE DEGRADED CHIDL

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

are you talking about his haircut?

Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

When you go shopping, do you run there or do you take the lazy way out and drive/take public transporation?

Dan (Curious) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Because these things are equivalent.

Hunter (Hunter), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, gotta go, the kids have been playing with matches for the last couple of hours cos I was too lazy to fetch them a lighter.

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link

they seem to be overused.

Really? I only see a kid on a leash maybe once every couple of years. I think if they were very commonplace they wouldn't seem strange at all but the novelty of it makes it seem unnecessary.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I'VE CREATED A MONSTER!

Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, gotta go, the kids have been playing with matches for the last couple of hours cos I was too lazy to fetch them a lighter.

Give a child matches and he is an arsonist for a day.

Give a child a lighter and he is an arsonist for a week.

But teach a child to start fires with nothing but two sticks and some string and he may be an arsonist for the rest of his life.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Because these things are equivalent.

Show me the studies that show that these child harnesses are damaging to children; until you do, the two examples are more equivalent than dissimilar.

Dan (Kids Need Exercise, Putting Them In A Car Is Just Lazy) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't even want to think about what kind of Google Image Searches you people are performing.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:36 (eighteen years ago) link

DAER POLICE I WAS ONLY GOOGLING "CHILD RESTRAINT" FOR THE LOLZ, HONEST

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link

find me two studies that show dan perry is not bea arthur. until then, they are in fact the same person.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link

BUSTED

Bea (And I Would Have Gotten Away With It If IT Wasn't For Those Meddling Kids) , Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:40 (eighteen years ago) link

FLY ALL IS KNOWN

xpost

jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Wot is the big deal here? This idea that leashes is "degrading" is weird. I mean, they're degrading if you put them on an Iraqi prisoner, sure, but their primary function is not to degrade. Are people trying to humiliate their dogs? No, they're trying to keep some control over an animal with a tendency to wander, while still allowing them some freedom of movement. Same deal with a kid. Giving them a few feet of walking space seems a hell of a lot less oppressive than strapping them tight into a stroller. Our kid isn't quite to walking yet and we haven't thought about whether to ever use a kid-leash, but I wouldn't rule it out. And holding the end of a leash is no lazier than holding a hand, as long as you're keeping a close eye on things.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Are people trying to humiliate their dogs?

I bet people who put leashes on their kids put humiliating sweaters on their dogs.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 1 December 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Is it wrong to want to excelsior parts of this thread? Onimo and Amity and Nabisco and others OTM, emilymv TOTALLY FUCKING WRONGHEADED.

I don't have kids, but I was one myself once, and I think I can safely say I could have lived with having been attached to my parents for a while rather than being another roadkill statistic. (My parents were exceptionally good at parenting, as far as I'm concerned, taught me right from wrong, all that malarkey, and I have no idea whether I was reined or not - presumably not as I would still be bearing the mental scars of such brutal degradation)

Incidentally, what's wrong with children's TV?

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I may have another one, and keep it in a cage.

This is what I expected to be in the hatch on Lost. Would've been far more interesting.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 2 December 2005 01:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I could have lived with

As indeed, I did (what with the alternative being not living and everything). God, my vocabulary is pathetic at times. Perhaps my parents should have tethered me to a thesaurus.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 December 2005 01:11 (eighteen years ago) link

My mum used reins on me and my THREE siblings. I don't really see how she could've kept an eye on us all otherwise - none of us were particularly hyperactive, or unruly, but we were all curious little tykes who weren't afraid to wander off and inspect whatever thingumy might have caught our eye. I didn't once feel even slightly degraded (ridiculous concept!), and it probably saved me from getting run over by a bus, or lost, either of which would've been pretty unpleasant for me, as a child.

JimD (JimD), Friday, 2 December 2005 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

mrs hunter is about 8 months huge, and our 21 month old weighs 35 lbs and over 3ft, he is utterly ginormous. Carrying him is very tough. he can walk, but is prone to darting. A leash would be helpful.

I see no problem w/ it generally-- wisely used and where age appropriate.

Hunter (Hunter), Friday, 2 December 2005 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link

We live on an island and I used to use a leash with my older son when we rode the ferry. The boat ride was a special occasion, and he'd go totally apeshit with excitement—without the leash he might have vaulted right over the railing. I don't think I was lazy, though I was definitely exhausted at times. Let's have some compassion. Considering that kids DO get hit by cars, etc, I'd rather err on the side of caution. Also, for city parents, I imagine they could slip their arm through the leash handle and then have both hands free for grocery bags. And some independent kids don't WANT to hold your hand.
My kids are grown up now, and don't seem to carry a grudge.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 2 December 2005 04:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Leashes are a great idea in moderation. If I'm in a Wal-Mart Supercenter I'd risk the slight degradation for the assurance that my beautiful children wouldn't be picked up by a perv or wander to the toy section when I turn my back for a moment to pick up something that another child has accidentally knocked off a shelf. Kids are very unpredictable. I think that after a certain age it's probably bad, but when they're young and you're just trying to get some contact lens solution - - come on!! Have some kids and navigate a busy shopping center and then come on here and tell other parents that they're lazy. It's responsible parenting in most cases.

Rebekkah (burntbrat), Friday, 2 December 2005 04:28 (eighteen years ago) link

What Would Jane Teasdale Say

Hunter (Hunter), Friday, 2 December 2005 04:41 (eighteen years ago) link

WTF? I used to *love* my reins because my hands were free and I could do this (probably very irritating for my mum) thing where you take youf feet off the ground and just swing there. Reins aren't lazy parenting. Are you saying a new parent should carry their baby in their arms rather than using a papoose?

Other news: my Mum used to tie me to the mattress at night. No, really. I used to keep standing up in my cot and crying because I couldn't get back down again so Mum made a special sleeping bag for me which attached to the mattress and made me feel secure. Even now, I adore getting into a bed with sheets tucked in really tightly because it gives me the same feeling of security.

Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 2 December 2005 09:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Mothercare Child Cruelty Scandal

Mädchen (Madchen), Friday, 2 December 2005 10:07 (eighteen years ago) link

WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?

Concerned Of Tabloid Land (GerryNemo), Friday, 2 December 2005 10:12 (eighteen years ago) link

NO THANKS, I DON'T LIKE THEM

Sailor Kitten (g-kit), Friday, 2 December 2005 10:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Using reigns on a kid isn't degrading or treating them like a dog. Making them sleep in a kennel and drink water out of a bowl on the floor is though.

James Ward (jamesmichaelward), Friday, 2 December 2005 10:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I too am a victim of the cruel, degrading reins of laziness!! To think I suppressed this memory all these years. I'm off now to sue my mother.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 2 December 2005 10:28 (eighteen years ago) link

One time, on holiday, we got one to stop Amber (18 months at the time) from running off. This was a leash attached to her wrist.

Anyway, she took two steps, then raised her arm as if to say "Remove this!" and stood rock still. There was no moving her. So we removed it and never used it again.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 December 2005 10:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I do remember reading a scare-story a good while back about a child stepping into a lift before it's mother while wearing one of these. One party was injusred and there was small outcry at the time and calls for banning etc.

Not sure if this was an isolated case due to the straps being too long or whether it was a real concern at the time...

Rumpie (lil drummer girl parumpumpumpu), Friday, 2 December 2005 11:00 (eighteen years ago) link

My parents used reins on me, I don't feel unduly damaged. In fact I used tpo relish being able to run about a bit, rather than having to hold on to a parent's hand. I can see why parents used them too. I used to run off frequently. Shops to me were large areas of wonder to explore. I'm not totally sure why I have such clear recall of being a toddler when I struggle to remember last weekend.

Anna (Anna), Friday, 2 December 2005 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link

far cooler idea:

http://www.woofbrothers.com/files/images/thumbs/t_28.jpg

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 2 December 2005 14:05 (eighteen years ago) link

one of my friends was really hyperactive as a child, so his parents had a harness for him for a while until comments from random people out in public made them retire it. they had already parented one young child by that time, so it wasn't an issue of ignorance or laziness. as for effects down the road, the kid is now a happily married successful musician contemplating a child of his own so his time with the leash doesn't seem to have scarred him any.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 2 December 2005 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I bought one of those child leash thingies for my first daughter when she was a toddler, precisely for the reasons of safety when we were in town, but it wasn't terribly successful. I had thought it was a good idea - toddlers often don't want to hold your hand all the time because they like to feel they have a certain amount of independence, so I got one of those curly plastic cables which you attach to the wrists of both parent and toddler via velcro straps.

Cunning small daughter quickly realised that she could remove her end of the velcro wrist strap and attach it to an immovable object (iron railings, car door handle etc) when my attention was distracted for the merest nanosecond, thus leaving me tethered and her free to run away.

C J (C J), Friday, 2 December 2005 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't believe this thread's still going.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 2 December 2005 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

oh ffs. it is a way to make your kid safe without restricting their (and your) movement so much. there's no problem here. i remember having reins and just having the *best* time trying to run against the rope in different directions and pissing myself laughing. i grew up in the countryside so the traffic wasn't mental but i'm still glad i had it.

i think they are apalling and a tool for lazy parenting.

onimo's reply totally totally otm. actually, onimo otm on whole thread.


i am not saying that the RARE circumstance does not exist that would warrant such a contraption. perhaps that is true for onimo. it just seems that many who enlist the device do so because they would rather tie the child to their person than be bothered to pay enough attention to keep hold of them. they seem to be overused. like television/kid's videos, i guess.

i really don't think it's necessarily to do w how much attention you pay your kid. i know i was paid an absolutely mental amount of attention when i were a babby, but to keep me safe while making sure i didn't, you know, DIE, i was kept on a lead when out in public, for ages. and we lived in a tiny village. um, obv they can be misused. but i would guess anyone having a prob wrt the misuse of leads for kids would have a few other bigger probs to sort out first.

Wot is the big deal here? This idea that leashes is "degrading" is weird. I mean, they're degrading if you put them on an Iraqi prisoner, sure, but their primary function is not to degrade. Are people trying to humiliate their dogs? No, they're trying to keep some control over an animal with a tendency to wander, while still allowing them some freedom of movement. Same deal with a kid. Giving them a few feet of walking space seems a hell of a lot less oppressive than strapping them tight into a stroller. Our kid isn't quite to walking yet and we haven't thought about whether to ever use a kid-leash, but I wouldn't rule it out. And holding the end of a leash is no lazier than holding a hand, as long as you're keeping a close eye on things.

YES YES YES.

emsk ( emsk), Sunday, 4 December 2005 03:41 (eighteen years ago) link

and as an aside to those of you w v small kids thinking of putting them on reins and worrying about it, it has so much to do with how you present it. make them believe they're in star trek etc and it'll be fine...

emsk ( emsk), Sunday, 4 December 2005 03:51 (eighteen years ago) link

oh yeah, and to answer the actual question i was born summer 78 and walking er surprisingly early, so winter/spring 78/79?

emsk ( emsk), Sunday, 4 December 2005 03:56 (eighteen years ago) link


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