ok what the fuck is happening in ukraine

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Reaching back to Applebaum's analysis of 'what Putin wants'. It is probably correct in all its particulars, because it has the advantage of ignoring 'what Putin can achieve'. That whole list of 'wants' is just his Christmas wishlist and portraying it as a list of achievable goals is unforgivably lazy and disingenuous.

As for her analysis that Putin's motives are directly tied to the trauma of the breakup of the USSR, its hogwash. Putin may be the most personally wealthy head of state on earth. His greatest motivation is to ensure the indefinite continuation of his personal wealth and power. Bullying Ukraine is useful in that it helps him politically with the Russian public.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 9 February 2022 19:06 (four years ago)

and Ukraine is "a bit anti-Semitic"

Heard a lecture once on that "thematic" restaurant they built in a former Jewish ghetto where the waiters have fake noses and you're supposed to haggle over the bill, yikes.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 10 February 2022 11:04 (four years ago)

It’s also the only country other than Israel to have had a Jewish President and Prime Minister at the same time, tbf!

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Thursday, 10 February 2022 11:15 (four years ago)

The Normandy talks about Minsk in Berlin unsurprisingly didn’t go anywhere:

https://tass.com/politics/1401333

The risk is that if Zelenskiy agrees to implement the Minsk accords, he gets framed as a traitor and couped.

If he doesn’t implement them, Russia might unilaterally declare recognition of an independent LNR / DNR. Failure to respond to that with military action leads to Zelenskiy being framed as a traitor and couped.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 11 February 2022 13:07 (four years ago)

NEW: The US believes Russian President Vladimir Putin has decided to invade Ukraine, and has communicated that decision to the Russian military, three Western and defense officials tell me.

— Nick Schifrin (@nickschifrin) February 11, 2022

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 11 February 2022 18:39 (four years ago)

how the hell does this guy know that?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 11 February 2022 18:40 (four years ago)

"three Western and defense officials tell me"

so like a cowboy and two generals?

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 11 February 2022 18:42 (four years ago)

Wouldn't the Russian military already know?

peace, man, Friday, 11 February 2022 18:46 (four years ago)

Not if the US doesn't tell them, per trusted twitter sources

Evan, Friday, 11 February 2022 18:54 (four years ago)

Plenty of long-tenured autocrats have unshakeable faith in their own strength and contempt for the weakness of their opponents, so it's quite possible he'll go ahead with it.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 11 February 2022 19:07 (four years ago)

Asked about my earlier reporting, @JakeSullivan46 says the US has not concluded that Putin gave the order to invade.

— Nick Schifrin (@nickschifrin) February 11, 2022

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 11 February 2022 20:13 (four years ago)

this fuckin guy

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 11 February 2022 20:17 (four years ago)

"oopsie"

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 11 February 2022 20:19 (four years ago)

Make your mind up guys.

Bastards of Fish (Tom D.), Friday, 11 February 2022 20:31 (four years ago)

Predictable from one of Twitter's most popular bullshit genres, the "I got the scoop" tweet first ask for forgiveness later because in the end I got the attention/visibility either way idiots.

Evan, Friday, 11 February 2022 20:59 (four years ago)

Why not just skip the middle man and announce that Russia has already successfully invaded and occupied Ukraine and save everyone the stress, time and suffering?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 February 2022 21:41 (four years ago)

Russia has already successfully invaded and occupied Ukraine

And that would be true... Crimea

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 11 February 2022 22:08 (four years ago)

That was just a lil' invasion.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 February 2022 22:33 (four years ago)

impressionable posho liberal tools who need to believe their own wretched country occupies some kind of moral high ground in this

It’s not too hard to occupy the moral high ground in this situation, just don’t be the guy who’s invading a peaceful neighbor.

o. nate, Monday, 14 February 2022 01:33 (four years ago)

you mean like the US has done throughout its entire existence?

bad milk blood robot (sleeve), Monday, 14 February 2022 02:13 (four years ago)

(xp to o. nate)

bad milk blood robot (sleeve), Monday, 14 February 2022 02:14 (four years ago)

you mean like the US has done throughout its entire existence?

iirc, last time the US invaded a peaceful neighbor was in 1848. all those other times we generally had even less excuse.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 14 February 2022 03:09 (four years ago)

oops. forgot all those islands we invaded that share an oceanic border. so, I'll retract the first sentence, but not the second one.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 14 February 2022 03:24 (four years ago)

nailed it

Putin has big weekend plans in Ukraine: 1) he's going to cut power and heat, knock out Ukrainian navy and air force, kill general staff and hit them with cyber attack; 2) then install pro-Russian president and 3) resort to full-scale military invasion if Ukraine doesn't give in

— Melinda Haring (@melindaharing) February 11, 2022

mookieproof, Monday, 14 February 2022 05:28 (four years ago)

Deputy director @ACEurasia @AtlanticCouncil.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 14 February 2022 07:05 (four years ago)

xpost "If I Did It," by Vlad Putin.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 February 2022 14:18 (four years ago)

lot of you lads been watching Red Dawn all weekend yeah?

I have a voulez-vous? with death (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 February 2022 14:23 (four years ago)

Putin may be the most personally wealthy head of state on earth. His greatest motivation is to ensure the indefinite continuation of his personal wealth and power. Bullying Ukraine is useful in that it helps him politically with the Russian public.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, February 9, 2022 7:06 PM

I tried to drill down into this a little bit, suspecting that Xi might be a contender. There's a lot of speculation out there about Putin's net worth but not much hard data. Most estimates show him being at least an order of magnitude richer than Xi tho. (Xi and Trump are probably on par.)

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 14 February 2022 16:02 (four years ago)

If you're a de facto dictator, what does money even mean? You have as much of anything as you will ever want, on demand, as long as you hold power, and it's hard to see Putin or Xi willingly going anywhere. And if they went unwillingly, then money likely won't help them.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 February 2022 16:06 (four years ago)

Dictators still need to negotiate power and keep wealth onside to some extent if they want to hang on to their position (skeptical of to what extent it makes sense to treat Putin and Xi as if they were in comparable positions, tbh).

Likewise immense wealth has been of much use to many an ex-tyrant getting themselves a comfortable place in exile.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 14 February 2022 16:11 (four years ago)

shocked that autocrats are wealthy, you don't get that shit in a democracy

I have a voulez-vous? with death (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 February 2022 16:12 (four years ago)

hi guys just started playing really enjoying it so far but finding it all very complicated has anyone got a user guide for how to start eg week one of this, ive selected biden as my player but havent gotten too far into the save so would be open to picking one of the others and going from there!

Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Monday, 14 February 2022 16:15 (four years ago)

you want to max out your balls stat as soon as poss

I have a voulez-vous? with death (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 February 2022 16:16 (four years ago)

Trump is massively in debt and his businesses hemorrhage money left and right

Putin might actually be the richest man on the planet

frogbs, Monday, 14 February 2022 16:18 (four years ago)

Emotions running high and I let them get the better of me. I still expect action this week but Putin may drag this out. We still don't know. Bottom line is that I recognize that I need to be more judicious. https://t.co/clc9c8gm8s

— Melinda Haring (@melindaharing) February 14, 2022

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 February 2022 16:23 (four years ago)

"it was a goof!"

snarl self own (Karl Malone), Monday, 14 February 2022 16:28 (four years ago)

So if that person now think it might not happen, does that mean ... it is going to happen?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 February 2022 16:40 (four years ago)

https://gimlet.spotifycdn.com/page_art/9fdb9f7f-75f0-4aab-954e-5f81156438a7/fallback
L-R: United States, Russia, Ukraine.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 February 2022 16:40 (four years ago)

omg

peace, man, Monday, 14 February 2022 16:45 (four years ago)

ha, i wouldn't be too hasty to add your predictions on this thread

snarl self own (Karl Malone), Monday, 14 February 2022 16:47 (four years ago)

shocked that autocrats are wealthy, you don't get that shit in a democracy

It seems like generally in autocracy, power is a path to wealth; in US ‘democracy’ wealth is a path to power more like. (The US senate is also the single most anti-democratic institution in our entire government system.)

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 14 February 2022 17:01 (four years ago)

Putin Very Bad but honestly can’t imagine a world where his hard-on for Ukraine portends anything worse for the avg citizen there than the US’

hyper-ventilating state dept and western media’s track record on these issues not helping the case imo

concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Monday, 14 February 2022 17:06 (four years ago)

lol

bulb after bulb, Monday, 14 February 2022 17:11 (four years ago)

BREAKING: Office of Ukraine's president says his statement that Wednesday will be 'day of attack' was said with irony

— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) February 14, 2022

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 February 2022 21:42 (four years ago)

“What, you can’t take a joke?”

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 14 February 2022 21:52 (four years ago)

Seems like it was bad reporting / translation from NBC, not that Zelenskiy was unclear.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 14 February 2022 21:57 (four years ago)

so not gonna happen

Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 14 February 2022 22:00 (four years ago)

interesting on Russian thinking and the role the suppression of Medvedchuk's pro-Russian party may have played in the current crisis https://t.co/JLLLIbMmzY

— jamie k (@jkbloodtreasure) February 14, 2022

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 February 2022 22:27 (four years ago)

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRqWAfnV8fjnGHZdGCDTTsMCGo92aWi6HiclcvSyFvuDFlJyj3hnzGYH7NzxyIrCWGVurQ&usqp=CAU
"Did you hear it is sure thing, Russia will be invading Ukraine on February 16?"
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLfAEYuhCLZ6hVjlhUvLT1hdkW_MpTXpwHGfKFBTlSQFNr3ILpqZu-R7HaTDtm4IYJwvA&usqp=CAU
"I am just kidding! Russia is already there!"

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 February 2022 22:42 (four years ago)

“Russia signals willingness to talk about ‘you know, whatever, do you like French cars?’l

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 15 February 2022 00:29 (four years ago)


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