Bari Weiss and Andrew Yang are boring and unimaginative.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 6 February 2022 22:53 (two years ago) link
they're trolls. So is Tulsi Gabbard. Their fanbase encompasses Andrew Sullivan types.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 6 February 2022 22:54 (two years ago) link
I don't usually view people through a left/right spectrum, unless that's their deal. I think it's boring and unimaginative.
Are you sure you're not Bari Weiss?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 6 February 2022 22:55 (two years ago) link
Bari Weiss spent a lot of time trying to get people who support Palestinian rights fired—so yeah, pretty much a moderate lib
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Sunday, 6 February 2022 22:55 (two years ago) link
Blink twice if you've dated a SNL cast member.
That list is a good lineup to illustrate how his reactionary spiral really started with freaking out about trans people and getting push back on that. Pseudo-left voices overly concerned with trumped up culture war/"""free speech""" nonsense (except for Rollins... which wasn't a political episode IIRC from five years ago) who've mostly circled the drain toward conspiracy mongering. Dore's most brilliant idea IIRC was for BLM to ally with fascist militias.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 6 February 2022 23:03 (two years ago) link
I remember hearing that Rogan’s team was talking about having Michael Brooks as a guest (a few years ago of course) but that Rogan nixed it because Brooks had said too many mean things about his IDW friends.
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Sunday, 6 February 2022 23:07 (two years ago) link
Ooh, lookit this guy, floating above us on a cloud of his own smugness...
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 6 February 2022 23:17 (two years ago) link
Is “I don’t see ideology” the new “I don’t see race”?
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 6 February 2022 23:17 (two years ago) link
I don’t care if you’re left right or purple…
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 6 February 2022 23:37 (two years ago) link
yeah, lets or instead we pretends the other is who?
― JacobSanders, Monday, 7 February 2022 00:50 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st5OGffTp6s
― JacobSanders, Monday, 7 February 2022 00:54 (two years ago) link
folks, listen, as soon as we find out who’s responsible for approving that contract, boy let me tell you, that person is in for it https://t.co/ghrrjUd2Mg— kilgore trout, cryptopolice chief (@KT_So_It_Goes) February 7, 2022
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 February 2022 04:16 (two years ago) link
I like Henry Rollins, My War rules
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 February 2022 05:25 (two years ago) link
That list is a good lineup to illustrate how his reactionary spiral really started with freaking out about trans people and getting push back on that. Exactly, and applies to Jordan Peterson just as well. In fact it’s like the two of them formed this echo chamber of YouTube transphobia that really helped drive a lot of folks towards this horseshoe theory reactionary stance. Since so much politics is centered around issues of social justice and identity now, what “I don’t see left or right” typically means is that they are so privileged that they can allow themselves to feel above any concerns of social justice, systemic discrimination etc. Has Taibbi also dug himself into the transphobic backlash or some other form of diet bigotry? I forget.
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 7 February 2022 08:18 (two years ago) link
Taibbi is just doing low-cal Greenwald stuff
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 7 February 2022 15:02 (two years ago) link
“horseshoe theory”
― concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Monday, 7 February 2022 15:20 (two years ago) link
isn't the trans stuff how Jordan Peterson got famous in the first place? iirc he was arguing that people were literally going to go to prison for using the wrong pronouns or something, which caught a lot of attention cuz people didn't really know how fucking nuts he was back then
― frogbs, Monday, 7 February 2022 15:26 (two years ago) link
yeah, JP's entire deal was that he was doing his goofy book thing and being a shitty professor/therapist, and then he misrepresented a canadian policy propsal re: trans people
― mh, Monday, 7 February 2022 15:28 (two years ago) link
you can hear at the end he says "but god, is that really true?" because it was too difficult for him to look at this guy's history and know ahead of time he was going to say something like this.
Here's a small part of what they deleted. Chuck is explaining to Joe Rogan that black people have a gene that makes them "predisposed to violence." pic.twitter.com/A5uSePdIKT— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 6, 2022
― towards fungal computer (harbl), Monday, 7 February 2022 15:32 (two years ago) link
"black americ- you know blacks, you know Africans"what a scholar
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 February 2022 15:48 (two years ago) link
― concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Monday, February 7, 2022 3:20 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
If you have a better shorthand for the left-right crossover of Greenwald, Taibbi etc then I'm all ears.
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 7 February 2022 16:32 (two years ago) link
substackin' cheese
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 7 February 2022 16:34 (two years ago) link
i don't know i would just like to be able to have a killfile for that specific phrase
― towards fungal computer (harbl), Monday, 7 February 2022 16:40 (two years ago) link
for real
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 7 February 2022 16:48 (two years ago) link
sorry that’s my own little off-topic axe to grind. to me it seems like an overstated liberal Twitter bogeyman, particularly when regressive centrists (or “fishhook theory” if you prefer) in Democratic leadership (incl Biden, Harris, Pelosi et al) and the NYT/ WaPo op ed are still far more dangerous, ruin far more lives, and (currently) hold tons more sway. this is not to provide cover for contemptible trolls like Greenwald et al, which I realize are the primary subjects here in the Rogan thread. apologies for the off-topic rant, and absolutely not attributing this to you viborg. but for as many creepy “post-Left” IDW-hugging weirdos as I see online, I still think they are outnumbered and certainly out-powered by millionaires and billionaires who are just a little too eager to blur these lines in an attempt galaxy brain non-MAGA voters into believing that M4A or making corporations pay taxes is actually bad and also probably racist, misogynistic, etc
― concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Monday, 7 February 2022 17:12 (two years ago) link
My 2018 Joe Rogan Experience appearance was CENSORED by @Spotify. He didn't use any racial slurs in the episode. I RAILED against Saudi Arabia in it and Spotify just happened to expand into the Saudi market at the exact time that coincides with the banning (1/2) pic.twitter.com/R0bZxDvVEf— Secular Talk🎙 (@KyleKulinski) February 7, 2022
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 7 February 2022 17:23 (two years ago) link
xpI don't know much about Taibbi, but Greenwald was never "far left" imo—I can't recall him ever really being socialist in any way, let alone communist. He's always basically been a libertarian, no? It's just that in the Bush era, he was worried about the state trampling on civil liberties, and now he's concerned about college students and twitter "mobs" or whatever.
Not to underplay whatever fascist shit he's up to on Fox now, I don't really care about him anymore.
― rob, Monday, 7 February 2022 17:26 (two years ago) link
yeah I’ve got no idea what he’s doing, other than effectively monetizing troll-hood. p sure I got temp banned from Twitter for replying to him something along the lines of how ‘hilarious’ it’s going to be when he comes out in favor of Bolsanro to own the libs, “you peeled potato-ass looking bitch” so, as you can see, I am Part of the Problem
― concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Monday, 7 February 2022 17:47 (two years ago) link
Lmao you Pringle.
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Right rob, fair point about Greenwald, I probably just think of him as left-adjacent because there was that willingness on the left to platform some libertarians during the Bush years. Taibbi is basically a 'Bernie bro' and that's some of what I had in mind, the democratic socialists who scorn idpol but are happy to casually spout corny AAVE memes with zero consideration of the context of social justice or cultural appropriation. That's relatively minor though granted.
but for as many creepy “post-Left” IDW-hugging weirdos as I see online, I still think they are outnumbered and certainly out-powered by millionaires and billionaires who are just a little too eager to blur these lines in an attempt galaxy brain non-MAGA voters into believing that M4A or making corporations pay taxes is actually bad and also probably racist, misogynistic, etc
― concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Monday, February 7, 2022 5:12 PM
The IDW is definitely an extreme version of that Bernie bro line of thought. (And I really appreciate you taking the effort to explain yourself there, tbh the ILX scare quote shitpost can be a little off-putting in response to an effort post, but I know that's just how we do it.)
What really gets to me though is the leftists who do things like crap all over the Mueller report. I'd say stanning for Xi and the CCP is similar, but at least China is still nominally socialist ('with Chinese characteristics'). I've never encountered the term "horseshoe theory" on Twitter, I generally try to tune out most liberals there. But I most likely did pick it up from Reddit, which is also where I've seen quite a few folks claiming to be leftist and shitting on Mueller etc. There were also some old kind of weird lefty blogs I used to follow that went the same route but I can't even remember the name right now.
The point about the manipulation of discourse by the owning class is spot-on tho, seems safe to assume most online discussion is largely manufactured now, unless it's just your favorite musician riffing on their pet issue. It's likely there are a significant number of Bernie bros who have been swayed by the manufactured discussion on Reddit to actually buy into Jordan Peterson, ancap, or whatever the bullshit du jour is.
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 7 February 2022 18:02 (two years ago) link
I don’t know much about Kulinski and I’ve never heard any kind of Dore insanity attributed to him but my god how does anyone dedicate hours of their day listening to a guy who goes by “secular talk”?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 7 February 2022 18:06 (two years ago) link
“It’s likely” is doing a lot of work there. The ‘Bernie coalition’ was younger, more queer and less white than Democratic voters as a whole.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 7 February 2022 18:12 (two years ago) link
It's not like I have any evidence to back my shit up, but is there support for that claim? In my personal experience the cis het white guys are more likely to go for Bernie, women and minorities are less likely to. The plural of anecdote is not data, I know.
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 7 February 2022 18:27 (two years ago) link
(But also Reddit is a special case.)
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 7 February 2022 18:29 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYm-CehOzEA
― west elm girls (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 7 February 2022 18:30 (two years ago) link
IDW-hugging weirdos
Hey man, I love Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles reprints and Transformers-meets-My Little Pony crossovers.
― peace, man, Monday, 7 February 2022 18:39 (two years ago) link
They lost the license for young reader Marvel titles. :(
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 7 February 2022 18:55 (two years ago) link
r.i.p.
― peace, man, Monday, 7 February 2022 19:00 (two years ago) link
https://www.readthepresentage.com/p/joe-rogan-spotify
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 9 February 2022 00:29 (two years ago) link
Kind of blowing my mind that the guy posting about the right-wing maniac Charles Johnson appearing on Rogan is also named Charles Johnson and is someone I remember as a virulently Islamophobic right-wing maniac in the Bush years.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 9 February 2022 05:36 (two years ago) link
yeah i remember when little green footballs was the worst place on the entire internet
― symsymsym, Wednesday, 9 February 2022 05:51 (two years ago) link
Isn’t there some indie rock Chuck Johnson too?
― Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note I'm (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 9 February 2022 07:14 (two years ago) link
he's an ambient pedal steel dude
― Number None, Wednesday, 9 February 2022 09:54 (two years ago) link
He floats above it.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 9 February 2022 10:14 (two years ago) link
yikes
In another old clip posted online, Rogan responds to a guest who has a Black dad and a white mom by saying, “Powerful combination genetic-wise, right? You get the body of the Black man and then you get the mind of the white man all together in some strange combination. That doesn’t mean, by the way, that Black people don’t have brains. It’s a different brain.”
― frogbs, Wednesday, 9 February 2022 14:47 (two years ago) link
This is your periodic reminder that Chuck C. Johnson is NOT ME.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 6, 2022
― towards fungal computer (harbl), Wednesday, 9 February 2022 14:58 (two years ago) link
Charles Johnson from Little Green Footballs has quite the resume:
1976 School Days with Stanley Clarke 1977 I'm Fine, How Are You with Airto Moreira 1977 Reach for It with George Duke 1977 Easy Living with Sonny Rollins 1976 Garden of Love Light with Narada Michael Walden 1978 Don't Let Go with George Duke 1978 Don't Ask My Neighbors with Raul de Souza 1979 Follow the Rainbow with George Duke 1979 Future Street with Pages 1980 Nielsen Pearson with Nielsen Pearson 1980 Rocks, Pebbles and Sand with Stanley Clarke 1981 Pages [1981] with Pages 1982 Dream On with George Duke 1983 Not the Boy Next Door with Peter Allen 1984 In London with Al Jarreau 1984 Live in London with Al Jarreau 1987 All In the Name of Love with Atlantic Starr 1988 Guitar Workshop: Tribute to with Otis Redding 1989 One Passion with Michael Paulo 1993 Art & Survival with Dianne Reeves 1994 L.A. with Hiroshima 1995 Piel Ajena with Eduardo Capetillo 1996 George Duke Greatest Hits with George Duke 1996 Is That the Way to Your Heart with Kazu Matsui 1998 A Song a Day 2000 When I Hold You in My Heart with Clay Mortensen 2000 Rare Collection with Jaco Pastorius 2001 Pages [2001] with Pages 2003 Punk Jazz: The Jaco Pastorius Anthology with Jaco Pastorius 2003 In Between the Heartaches with Phyllis Hyman
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 9 February 2022 15:32 (two years ago) link
Why should I change my name? He's the one who sucks.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 9 February 2022 15:57 (two years ago) link
thx for that Rogan trans wrap-up, C. Grisso
― Nhex, Wednesday, 9 February 2022 16:26 (two years ago) link
Lmao at him clarifying he doesn't think black people don't have brains. Cmon that'd be ridiculous, he just thinks they have shitty ones.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 9 February 2022 16:37 (two years ago) link