JOE ROGAN VS. CARLOS MENCIA... FITE!!!

xp: You're overthinking this. It was all part of a joke about a Paul Simon song.

I think the last white person to get away with saying the n-word "in context" was Louis, pre-cancellation, who used it in his routines and on his show.

After that, it became a real hard line (hard r line?) in the sand

https://quillette.com/2019/06/27/publicly-shaming-a-musician-for-calling-a-composition-by-its-name/

But once that attitude of respect is acknowledged, how should the festival’s decision be viewed? Canceling Leach’s appearance was meant to support the festival’s claim that Leach was in the wrong for calling the compositions by their titles. But canceling the concert also was a direct act of recourse against a 70-year-old composer who, one can only assume, has been marginalized over the course of her career by virtue of her gender. The OBEY Convention not only effectively labeled her as a racist, but silenced her artistic voice. To say that this action was sexist and/or ageist strikes me as far less a leap in logic than to say that Leach is racist for speaking the title of a composition. It is far less a leap in logic to label this as institutional censorship.
By canceling the performance, the festival organizers also demonstrated that they are willing to silence one voice to appease another.

I wonder if they still stand by that. (This isn’t an ILX regular is it?)

I wouldn't know where to look to find this information, so I'm curious: I know Rogan has had Gavin MacInnes, Milo, Jordan Peterson, Chuck Johnson and a bunch of other right-wing toads on his show, but aside from Bernie Sanders has he had very many avowedly left-wing guests?

the Young Turks guy was on there at some point

I think it's mostly people on the center left that most of you guys don't seem to like, Bari Weiss, Tulsi Gabbard, Kyle Kulinski, Matt Taibbi, Jon Stewart, Andrew Yang, Jimmy Dore, Krystal Ball, Ana Kasparian, Henry Rollins, Abby Martin, Lee Camp. I started listening to the podcast years ago because I like stand up, and his conversations with certain comics I love are golden. I skip the MMA ones and so many others but recently the Jewel conversation was really something to hear. I never thought I wanted to hear Jewel talk for 4 hours but I had no idea about her story.

people on the center left that most of you guys don't seem to like, Bari Weiss

lolololol

He had Cornell West too iirc

yes, the radical centrism of Bari Weiss, Andrew Yang, and Tulsi Gubbard.

Phrenology is more fun when you're tripping balls while you break out the calipers.

#Canceled: The Radical Centrism of Bari Weiss, Andrew Yang, and Tulsi Gubbard is the name off the podcast Karl and I will co-host.

If I'm wrong about those guys being center left, please correct me. I don't usually view people through a left/right spectrum, unless that's their deal. I think it's boring and unimaginative.

Bari Weiss and Andrew Yang are boring and unimaginative.

they're trolls. So is Tulsi Gabbard. Their fanbase encompasses Andrew Sullivan types.

I don't usually view people through a left/right spectrum, unless that's their deal. I think it's boring and unimaginative.

Are you sure you're not Bari Weiss?

Bari Weiss spent a lot of time trying to get people who support Palestinian rights fired—so yeah, pretty much a moderate lib

Blink twice if you've dated a SNL cast member.

That list is a good lineup to illustrate how his reactionary spiral really started with freaking out about trans people and getting push back on that. Pseudo-left voices overly concerned with trumped up culture war/"""free speech""" nonsense (except for Rollins... which wasn't a political episode IIRC from five years ago) who've mostly circled the drain toward conspiracy mongering. Dore's most brilliant idea IIRC was for BLM to ally with fascist militias.

I remember hearing that Rogan’s team was talking about having Michael Brooks as a guest (a few years ago of course) but that Rogan nixed it because Brooks had said too many mean things about his IDW friends.

I don't usually view people through a left/right spectrum, unless that's their deal. I think it's boring and unimaginative.

Ooh, lookit this guy, floating above us on a cloud of his own smugness...

Is “I don’t see ideology” the new “I don’t see race”?

I don’t care if you’re left right or purple…

yeah, lets or instead we pretends the other is who?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st5OGffTp6s

folks, listen, as soon as we find out who’s responsible for approving that contract, boy let me tell you, that person is in for it https://t.co/ghrrjUd2Mg

— kilgore trout, cryptopolice chief (@KT_So_It_Goes) February 7, 2022

I like Henry Rollins, My War rules

That list is a good lineup to illustrate how his reactionary spiral really started with freaking out about trans people and getting push back on that.

Exactly, and applies to Jordan Peterson just as well. In fact it’s like the two of them formed this echo chamber of YouTube transphobia that really helped drive a lot of folks towards this horseshoe theory reactionary stance.

Since so much politics is centered around issues of social justice and identity now, what “I don’t see left or right” typically means is that they are so privileged that they can allow themselves to feel above any concerns of social justice, systemic discrimination etc.

Has Taibbi also dug himself into the transphobic backlash or some other form of diet bigotry? I forget.

Taibbi is just doing low-cal Greenwald stuff

“horseshoe theory”

isn't the trans stuff how Jordan Peterson got famous in the first place? iirc he was arguing that people were literally going to go to prison for using the wrong pronouns or something, which caught a lot of attention cuz people didn't really know how fucking nuts he was back then

yeah, JP's entire deal was that he was doing his goofy book thing and being a shitty professor/therapist, and then he misrepresented a canadian policy propsal re: trans people

you can hear at the end he says "but god, is that really true?" because it was too difficult for him to look at this guy's history and know ahead of time he was going to say something like this.

Here's a small part of what they deleted. Chuck is explaining to Joe Rogan that black people have a gene that makes them "predisposed to violence." pic.twitter.com/A5uSePdIKT

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 6, 2022

"black americ- you know blacks, you know Africans"
what a scholar

“horseshoe theory”

― concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Monday, February 7, 2022 3:20 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

If you have a better shorthand for the left-right crossover of Greenwald, Taibbi etc then I'm all ears.

substackin' cheese

i don't know i would just like to be able to have a killfile for that specific phrase

for real

sorry that’s my own little off-topic axe to grind. to me it seems like an overstated liberal Twitter bogeyman, particularly when regressive centrists (or “fishhook theory” if you prefer) in Democratic leadership (incl Biden, Harris, Pelosi et al) and the NYT/ WaPo op ed are still far more dangerous, ruin far more lives, and (currently) hold tons more sway. this is not to provide cover for contemptible trolls like Greenwald et al, which I realize are the primary subjects here in the Rogan thread. apologies for the off-topic rant, and absolutely not attributing this to you viborg. but for as many creepy “post-Left” IDW-hugging weirdos as I see online, I still think they are outnumbered and certainly out-powered by millionaires and billionaires who are just a little too eager to blur these lines in an attempt galaxy brain non-MAGA voters into believing that M4A or making corporations pay taxes is actually bad and also probably racist, misogynistic, etc

My 2018 Joe Rogan Experience appearance was CENSORED by @Spotify. He didn't use any racial slurs in the episode. I RAILED against Saudi Arabia in it and Spotify just happened to expand into the Saudi market at the exact time that coincides with the banning (1/2) pic.twitter.com/R0bZxDvVEf

— Secular Talk🎙 (@KyleKulinski) February 7, 2022

xp
I don't know much about Taibbi, but Greenwald was never "far left" imo—I can't recall him ever really being socialist in any way, let alone communist. He's always basically been a libertarian, no? It's just that in the Bush era, he was worried about the state trampling on civil liberties, and now he's concerned about college students and twitter "mobs" or whatever.

Not to underplay whatever fascist shit he's up to on Fox now, I don't really care about him anymore.

yeah I’ve got no idea what he’s doing, other than effectively monetizing troll-hood. p sure I got temp banned from Twitter for replying to him something along the lines of how ‘hilarious’ it’s going to be when he comes out in favor of Bolsanro to own the libs, “you peeled potato-ass looking bitch”

so, as you can see, I am Part of the Problem

Lmao you Pringle.

xpost

Right rob, fair point about Greenwald, I probably just think of him as left-adjacent because there was that willingness on the left to platform some libertarians during the Bush years. Taibbi is basically a 'Bernie bro' and that's some of what I had in mind, the democratic socialists who scorn idpol but are happy to casually spout corny AAVE memes with zero consideration of the context of social justice or cultural appropriation. That's relatively minor though granted.

but for as many creepy “post-Left” IDW-hugging weirdos as I see online, I still think they are outnumbered and certainly out-powered by millionaires and billionaires who are just a little too eager to blur these lines in an attempt galaxy brain non-MAGA voters into believing that M4A or making corporations pay taxes is actually bad and also probably racist, misogynistic, etc

― concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Monday, February 7, 2022 5:12 PM

The IDW is definitely an extreme version of that Bernie bro line of thought. (And I really appreciate you taking the effort to explain yourself there, tbh the ILX scare quote shitpost can be a little off-putting in response to an effort post, but I know that's just how we do it.)

What really gets to me though is the leftists who do things like crap all over the Mueller report. I'd say stanning for Xi and the CCP is similar, but at least China is still nominally socialist ('with Chinese characteristics'). I've never encountered the term "horseshoe theory" on Twitter, I generally try to tune out most liberals there. But I most likely did pick it up from Reddit, which is also where I've seen quite a few folks claiming to be leftist and shitting on Mueller etc. There were also some old kind of weird lefty blogs I used to follow that went the same route but I can't even remember the name right now.

The point about the manipulation of discourse by the owning class is spot-on tho, seems safe to assume most online discussion is largely manufactured now, unless it's just your favorite musician riffing on their pet issue. It's likely there are a significant number of Bernie bros who have been swayed by the manufactured discussion on Reddit to actually buy into Jordan Peterson, ancap, or whatever the bullshit du jour is.

I don’t know much about Kulinski and I’ve never heard any kind of Dore insanity attributed to him but my god how does anyone dedicate hours of their day listening to a guy who goes by “secular talk”?

“It’s likely” is doing a lot of work there. The ‘Bernie coalition’ was younger, more queer and less white than Democratic voters as a whole.

It's not like I have any evidence to back my shit up, but is there support for that claim? In my personal experience the cis het white guys are more likely to go for Bernie, women and minorities are less likely to. The plural of anecdote is not data, I know.

(But also Reddit is a special case.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYm-CehOzEA

IDW-hugging weirdos

Hey man, I love Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles reprints and Transformers-meets-My Little Pony crossovers.

They lost the license for young reader Marvel titles. :(

r.i.p.