"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

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a stance that will gain him some low-energy hooting and hollering in the pre-convinced commentariat and afaict exactly zero votes anywhere

mark s, Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:25 (four years ago)

well yeah quite

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:26 (four years ago)

also apparently lots of Scottish lorry drivers are Rangers cunts i mean i'm not that surprised

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:27 (four years ago)

The vast majority of whom would have voted Labour in the past and are now voting Tory. Labour hasn't got any more votes to lose in Scotland anyway.

Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:34 (four years ago)

and the sooner that reality sinks in the sooner Labour can oh god what's the point?

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:35 (four years ago)

Trying to be as Unionist as the Tories has been a disaster because sectarian headbanger Unionists have crossed the Rubicon now and out and proud as Tories, they're not coming back and fuck them anyway, while reluctant or soft Unionists are voting SNP.

Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:37 (four years ago)

(xp) LOL, exactly.

Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:38 (four years ago)

This is Nairn’s theme: “Recognise one’s opponents on the terrain of reality.”

Kieth does this on a daily basis, only problem is his opponents aren't the tories or the UK liberal deep state.

calzino, Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:44 (four years ago)

not sure Kieth's familiar with the terrain of reality tbh

realty, maybe

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:45 (four years ago)

one reason i'm not entirely a nairn-stan is that i think his *own* version of "one's opponents on the terrain of reality” sweepingly (if unstatedly) includes all manner of ppl we'd be largely pro in this thread?

i mean i also partly like this piece bcz it's an account of a half-century's bitter splits in the new left review's editorial board and one of the characters that nairn split with was his old pal lord perry of that ilk (where ilk = anderson)

mark s, Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:52 (four years ago)

BUT

mark s, Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:52 (four years ago)

i mean tbf "reality" is a weasel word that has to include materialist "thinking" and possibility or fuck it

but

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:53 (four years ago)

In Derry in 1972, people were marching against a system which denied one community access to voting rights, housing and work. It was not “religious bitterness” or “sectarian conflict,” it was Britain’s Jim Crow. You’ll never understand Bloody Sunday unless you understand that.

— Ronan Burtenshaw (@ronanburtenshaw) January 30, 2022

are you reading this Kieth?

calzino, Sunday, 30 January 2022 16:28 (four years ago)

JC's speech on Bloody Sunday in Derry Guildhall. From about 35 minutes on the video.

🐦[Watching @jeremycorbyn🕸 deliver the #BloodySunday50🕸 annual lecture in Derry. Such a lovely welcome & such respect for him in the Guildhall, full of people who have given their lives to the fight for justice & truth. They know. ✊ https://t.co/8fzp7ZawVM🕸
— Ben Sellers (@MrBenSellers) January 29, 2022🕸]🐦

No one else in English politics would be invited to give this or have the knowledge or ability to write it.


I agree with your general point and I felt his anger but honestly I had to dip out after he mangled Pat Finucane’s name. He sounded a bit hoarse, I hope he is l ok. I appreciated that he had planted an oak tree, the biodiversity being important ofc but the main association of oaks with Derry is that the city’s name in Irish, Doire, means oak grove (the Heaney poem he quoted references this too).

mardheamac (gyac), Sunday, 30 January 2022 17:49 (four years ago)

A friend of mine from work refused to vote Labour last time because his dad (an Army officer in charge of lots of NI stuff) was on an IRA kill list, along with the rest of the family, and somehow that was Jembery Crumblin’s fault.

the thin blue lying (suzy), Sunday, 30 January 2022 17:50 (four years ago)

Why’s he a friend of yours? Sounds awful

mardheamac (gyac), Sunday, 30 January 2022 17:51 (four years ago)

iirc official bbc house style is the not-at-all-difficult-for-a-newsreader-to-say “derry/londonderry” for the first mention and then up to the editor’s discretion thereafter

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 30 January 2022 17:54 (four years ago)

Something like 80% of people in Derry call it Derry anyway, the county name has always been “contested”, but given that Derry is the official name in much of the city it’s difficult to conclude it’s not a political choice on their part tbh

mardheamac (gyac), Sunday, 30 January 2022 17:56 (four years ago)

Because I work with a lot of people who didn’t manage to out themselves as melts until then? Also TBF the friend never mentioned his family background until that moment, and it must’ve been terrifying to be on a hit list as a kid. I didn’t think it was a rational position to take as an adult, obviously. Until that moment, I just thought he was an average middle-class person from the West Country.

the thin blue lying (suzy), Sunday, 30 January 2022 18:01 (four years ago)

it is definitely a political choice i.e. don’t piss off the daily mail, which feels like the guiding principle of a vast preponderance of the bbc estate

xpost

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 30 January 2022 18:04 (four years ago)

I remember the time that senile fuck Humphrys introduced Patten as "the last governor of China". Yes it was misspoken but quite revealing all the same.

calzino, Sunday, 30 January 2022 18:04 (four years ago)

I’d describe “associating Corbyn’s concern for Irish people with the Ra” as quite a bit further right than “melt”, tbh. That’s someone I’d cross the street to avoid.

mardheamac (gyac), Sunday, 30 January 2022 18:05 (four years ago)

lol remember when Boris wasn't gonna wriggle his way out of this one?

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 January 2022 13:24 (four years ago)

Ah! Well. Nevertheless,

Allegra do Povo (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 31 January 2022 13:34 (four years ago)

Labour whips & LOTO will think this a bit rich. The whips have been forwarded thousands of complaints about Duffield & not acted. They’ve expended political capital on her but she seems to think Labour should be using real capital to fund her suing people.https://t.co/kzVfIuFm6Z

— Alex Nunns (@alexnunns) January 31, 2022

lol she expects a party that has been near bankrupted by ill advised lawsuits to finance her own frivolous courtroom adventures, what an entitled idiot.

calzino, Monday, 31 January 2022 14:13 (four years ago)

Been getting a lot of Breaking News alerts on my phone today. That can only mean one thing: Boris has wriggled his way out of this jam jar!

calzino, Monday, 31 January 2022 14:43 (four years ago)

Johnson just accused Starmer of failing to prosecute Jimmy Savile, it has begun

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Monday, 31 January 2022 15:52 (four years ago)

funny cos it's true :P

calzino, Monday, 31 January 2022 15:57 (four years ago)

i for one love to see it read about at a distance eventually

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 January 2022 15:57 (four years ago)

I would gain new-found respect for Starmer if he'd responded with a Savile "now then now then" impersonation

build back a better mousetrap (Matt #2), Monday, 31 January 2022 16:02 (four years ago)

between this and Wolves not signing anybody Twitter is a shitshow today

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 January 2022 16:03 (four years ago)

Theresa May 🔥

— Gary Neville (@GNev2) January 31, 2022

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 31 January 2022 16:04 (four years ago)

Racking my brains to remember if May did anything inappropriate and illegal in power and coming up short…It can’t have been import.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 31 January 2022 16:06 (four years ago)

the millionaire's union rep strikes again!

calzino, Monday, 31 January 2022 16:06 (four years ago)

lads are we sure he's not saying she should be burned?

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 January 2022 16:40 (four years ago)

perhaps emojis are the only way he can express pure unbridled sexual desire

calzino, Monday, 31 January 2022 16:52 (four years ago)

He’s a disgrace . Has he just used the name of Jimmy Saville in the Houses of Parliament . Go FFS!

— Gary Neville (@GNev2) January 31, 2022

xyzzzz__, Monday, 31 January 2022 18:05 (four years ago)

How dare he take jimmy savilles name in vain

Nerd Ragequit (wins), Monday, 31 January 2022 18:06 (four years ago)

The truth doesn't matter.

Reuters wrote in 2021: "There is no evidence to suggest Sir Keir Starmer, then DPP of the CPS, was directly involved in the decision not to prosecute Jimmy Savile."
https://t.co/i2MiCD3tA2

— Sebastian Payne (@SebastianEPayne) January 31, 2022

xyzzzz__, Monday, 31 January 2022 18:26 (four years ago)

It is funny how Boris manages to tie Saville, a prominent Tory celebrity and advisor to Thatcher to the Labour leader though. If anyone deserves that it's Starmer tbf

glumdalclitch, Monday, 31 January 2022 18:29 (four years ago)

it tickles me a lot because it's funny and lots of idiots believe it and fuck Starmer!

calzino, Monday, 31 January 2022 18:36 (four years ago)

I wonder if Gaz knows about Saville's Christmas dinners with QEII and yes his close association with many members of parliament, maybe some of them still standing MPs.

calzino, Monday, 31 January 2022 18:38 (four years ago)

anyway Boris has to tread carefully highlighting Starmer's DPP record because it will just make him more popular with Tory voters.

calzino, Monday, 31 January 2022 19:01 (four years ago)

Critic of the PM sums up his address to 1922:

“It’s all a joke & brazenly defiant, saying its the civil servants, it’s the advisers…And apparently any new exposes are ‘irrelevant’ & ‘we got through it’. Smattered with Chocolate orange jokes, Shakespeare & some French bluffing.”

— Paul Brand (@PaulBrandITV) January 31, 2022

which apparently "charmed the birds out of the trees" and "there's no chance they get 54 now"

stet, Monday, 31 January 2022 21:23 (four years ago)

oh well.. we've been deprived of the third Tory leadership election since 2016. I can live with that. Until they decide to kill me next ..lol

calzino, Monday, 31 January 2022 21:42 (four years ago)

There’s no way this is the worst dirt they have on him. If whoever is orchestrating it decides they still want him out, expect to hear a lot more about his redecorating, I guess.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 31 January 2022 21:45 (four years ago)

Johnson just accused Starmer of failing to prosecute Jimmy Savile, it has begun

just wondering - is this something that starmer could successfully sue johnson for if he ever resorts to using it outside of parliament?

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Monday, 31 January 2022 21:52 (four years ago)

https://cdni.rbth.com/rbthmedia/images/2017.12/original/5a2fef0385600a6111428510.jpg

calzino, Monday, 31 January 2022 22:06 (four years ago)

Liz Truss has tested positive for covid. She attended the packed meeting of Tory MPs and ministers in Portcullis House this evening, leaving before it finished. She was not wearing a mask.

— Kate McCann (@KateEMcCann) January 31, 2022

xyzzzz__, Monday, 31 January 2022 22:31 (four years ago)


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