"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

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just cos standards dipped doesn't mean you should be prosecuted

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2022 10:35 (four years ago)

yep, the old "it was just a few bad apples" bullshit

^^^

and he'd defend every last one of them to the death.

calzino, Sunday, 30 January 2022 10:36 (four years ago)

was watching that 2008/ConDem program on i-player last night. All the usual suspects popping up including "brave" Gideon who wasn't scared of making tough decisions. And Clegg assuring us he fought tooth and nail against austerity yada yada. But they did give some space to Corbz and McD, something that never would have happened if they were still leading the opposition.

calzino, Sunday, 30 January 2022 10:48 (four years ago)

State of this

50 years ago, the horror of Bloody Sunday unfolded in Derry.

The victims left behind families and a community that grieved their loss and struggled for decades to have the truth told about what happened.

I send them my deepest respects on this poignant and significant day.

— Keir Starmer (@Keir_Starmer) January 30, 2022

mardheamac (gyac), Sunday, 30 January 2022 11:01 (four years ago)

mealy mouthed cowardly little snivelling shit! the contrast with Corbyn couldn't be starker

calzino, Sunday, 30 January 2022 11:04 (four years ago)

what can you say? the man just loves to prosecute

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2022 11:04 (four years ago)

Was fully expecting him to say Londonderry instead of Derry tbh.

Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Sunday, 30 January 2022 11:17 (four years ago)

i've got 1 Extra on this morning and the cunts just used the L word on their news bit

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2022 11:18 (four years ago)

Trevor Nelson is killing it tho so all forgiven

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2022 11:19 (four years ago)

The BBC have been using it in all their coverage, afaict.

Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Sunday, 30 January 2022 11:19 (four years ago)

i assume it's their standard, Brit cunts

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2022 11:22 (four years ago)

i'm not entirely a stan for anthony barnett or tom nairn and this is *very* long (11k words and tbh i've only skimmed them so far) but it's worth looking at i think:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/scottish-independence-tom-nairn-gordon-brown/

mark s, Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:03 (four years ago)

(has undeclared tho not inadvertent relevance to bloody sunday, admittedly somewhat abstractly: bcz nairn is the primary theorist of the break-up of britain, the unavoidable why if not the practical how)

mark s, Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:07 (four years ago)

chatting shit with horrible gammon friends last night and we agreed - for probably different reasons - that if the Scots want independence then fuck it that's the logical conclusion of nation state thinking

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:17 (four years ago)

Kieth did a good "the only way to decide the future of Scotland is in London" statement the other day

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:20 (four years ago)

a stance that will gain him some low-energy hooting and hollering in the pre-convinced commentariat and afaict exactly zero votes anywhere

mark s, Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:25 (four years ago)

well yeah quite

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:26 (four years ago)

also apparently lots of Scottish lorry drivers are Rangers cunts i mean i'm not that surprised

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:27 (four years ago)

The vast majority of whom would have voted Labour in the past and are now voting Tory. Labour hasn't got any more votes to lose in Scotland anyway.

Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:34 (four years ago)

and the sooner that reality sinks in the sooner Labour can oh god what's the point?

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:35 (four years ago)

Trying to be as Unionist as the Tories has been a disaster because sectarian headbanger Unionists have crossed the Rubicon now and out and proud as Tories, they're not coming back and fuck them anyway, while reluctant or soft Unionists are voting SNP.

Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:37 (four years ago)

(xp) LOL, exactly.

Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:38 (four years ago)

This is Nairn’s theme: “Recognise one’s opponents on the terrain of reality.”

Kieth does this on a daily basis, only problem is his opponents aren't the tories or the UK liberal deep state.

calzino, Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:44 (four years ago)

not sure Kieth's familiar with the terrain of reality tbh

realty, maybe

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:45 (four years ago)

one reason i'm not entirely a nairn-stan is that i think his *own* version of "one's opponents on the terrain of reality” sweepingly (if unstatedly) includes all manner of ppl we'd be largely pro in this thread?

i mean i also partly like this piece bcz it's an account of a half-century's bitter splits in the new left review's editorial board and one of the characters that nairn split with was his old pal lord perry of that ilk (where ilk = anderson)

mark s, Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:52 (four years ago)

BUT

mark s, Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:52 (four years ago)

i mean tbf "reality" is a weasel word that has to include materialist "thinking" and possibility or fuck it

but

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 30 January 2022 12:53 (four years ago)

In Derry in 1972, people were marching against a system which denied one community access to voting rights, housing and work. It was not “religious bitterness” or “sectarian conflict,” it was Britain’s Jim Crow. You’ll never understand Bloody Sunday unless you understand that.

— Ronan Burtenshaw (@ronanburtenshaw) January 30, 2022

are you reading this Kieth?

calzino, Sunday, 30 January 2022 16:28 (four years ago)

JC's speech on Bloody Sunday in Derry Guildhall. From about 35 minutes on the video.

🐦[Watching @jeremycorbyn🕸 deliver the #BloodySunday50🕸 annual lecture in Derry. Such a lovely welcome & such respect for him in the Guildhall, full of people who have given their lives to the fight for justice & truth. They know. ✊ https://t.co/8fzp7ZawVM🕸
— Ben Sellers (@MrBenSellers) January 29, 2022🕸]🐦

No one else in English politics would be invited to give this or have the knowledge or ability to write it.


I agree with your general point and I felt his anger but honestly I had to dip out after he mangled Pat Finucane’s name. He sounded a bit hoarse, I hope he is l ok. I appreciated that he had planted an oak tree, the biodiversity being important ofc but the main association of oaks with Derry is that the city’s name in Irish, Doire, means oak grove (the Heaney poem he quoted references this too).

mardheamac (gyac), Sunday, 30 January 2022 17:49 (four years ago)

A friend of mine from work refused to vote Labour last time because his dad (an Army officer in charge of lots of NI stuff) was on an IRA kill list, along with the rest of the family, and somehow that was Jembery Crumblin’s fault.

the thin blue lying (suzy), Sunday, 30 January 2022 17:50 (four years ago)

Why’s he a friend of yours? Sounds awful

mardheamac (gyac), Sunday, 30 January 2022 17:51 (four years ago)

iirc official bbc house style is the not-at-all-difficult-for-a-newsreader-to-say “derry/londonderry” for the first mention and then up to the editor’s discretion thereafter

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 30 January 2022 17:54 (four years ago)

Something like 80% of people in Derry call it Derry anyway, the county name has always been “contested”, but given that Derry is the official name in much of the city it’s difficult to conclude it’s not a political choice on their part tbh

mardheamac (gyac), Sunday, 30 January 2022 17:56 (four years ago)

Because I work with a lot of people who didn’t manage to out themselves as melts until then? Also TBF the friend never mentioned his family background until that moment, and it must’ve been terrifying to be on a hit list as a kid. I didn’t think it was a rational position to take as an adult, obviously. Until that moment, I just thought he was an average middle-class person from the West Country.

the thin blue lying (suzy), Sunday, 30 January 2022 18:01 (four years ago)

it is definitely a political choice i.e. don’t piss off the daily mail, which feels like the guiding principle of a vast preponderance of the bbc estate

xpost

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 30 January 2022 18:04 (four years ago)

I remember the time that senile fuck Humphrys introduced Patten as "the last governor of China". Yes it was misspoken but quite revealing all the same.

calzino, Sunday, 30 January 2022 18:04 (four years ago)

I’d describe “associating Corbyn’s concern for Irish people with the Ra” as quite a bit further right than “melt”, tbh. That’s someone I’d cross the street to avoid.

mardheamac (gyac), Sunday, 30 January 2022 18:05 (four years ago)

lol remember when Boris wasn't gonna wriggle his way out of this one?

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 January 2022 13:24 (four years ago)

Ah! Well. Nevertheless,

Allegra do Povo (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 31 January 2022 13:34 (four years ago)

Labour whips & LOTO will think this a bit rich. The whips have been forwarded thousands of complaints about Duffield & not acted. They’ve expended political capital on her but she seems to think Labour should be using real capital to fund her suing people.https://t.co/kzVfIuFm6Z

— Alex Nunns (@alexnunns) January 31, 2022

lol she expects a party that has been near bankrupted by ill advised lawsuits to finance her own frivolous courtroom adventures, what an entitled idiot.

calzino, Monday, 31 January 2022 14:13 (four years ago)

Been getting a lot of Breaking News alerts on my phone today. That can only mean one thing: Boris has wriggled his way out of this jam jar!

calzino, Monday, 31 January 2022 14:43 (four years ago)

Johnson just accused Starmer of failing to prosecute Jimmy Savile, it has begun

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Monday, 31 January 2022 15:52 (four years ago)

funny cos it's true :P

calzino, Monday, 31 January 2022 15:57 (four years ago)

i for one love to see it read about at a distance eventually

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 January 2022 15:57 (four years ago)

I would gain new-found respect for Starmer if he'd responded with a Savile "now then now then" impersonation

build back a better mousetrap (Matt #2), Monday, 31 January 2022 16:02 (four years ago)

between this and Wolves not signing anybody Twitter is a shitshow today

Reader, I buried him (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 January 2022 16:03 (four years ago)

Theresa May 🔥

— Gary Neville (@GNev2) January 31, 2022

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 31 January 2022 16:04 (four years ago)

Racking my brains to remember if May did anything inappropriate and illegal in power and coming up short…It can’t have been import.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 31 January 2022 16:06 (four years ago)

the millionaire's union rep strikes again!

calzino, Monday, 31 January 2022 16:06 (four years ago)


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