Marvel Cinematic Universe, Phase 4 & Beyond (and a chance to change your vote)

Yeah, Ronin offed Echo's dad, for one.

That's Ronin in a flashback, though, before Hawkeye reformed. And of course Widow's sister has killed a million people, too. But will they let her kill here, going forward? Will Hawkeye? Will Kate? Will Kingpin? Certainly won't have a death count like the Daredevil show.

(Also, fwiw, they didn't show Echo's dad getting killed, they showed him dying. Not saying he wasn't killed by Ronin, just wondering what Disney's standards of violence might be, or what they're going to let the good guys get away with.)

To answer the first question, I honestly don't remember Clint having a scene of acknowledgement, so as a viewer I'm left wondering if she is good or superhero good. Clint stamp of approval is the only way we would know. Did I forget about the sort of scene I'm describing? It's possible I missed it.

Good question about whether they'll let Kate kill. The tracksuit mafia are lovable comic relief dopes so they're a little off the table. The ones Clint shot at the warehouse were sort of ambiguously injured (except for that one that got shot in the hand). If she ends up killing someone it will probably be a heavy scene and would represent a point of no return.

Sorry I was sort of both talking about deaths in this show in general and the prospect of Kate killing in the same breath, hopefully not too confusing.

Pretty sure in episode 4 Clint acknowledged that Kate really was one of the best archers in the world (can’t remember the exact wording)

That's what I thought.

Well that's good! I guess all I remember is him brooding the whole time so it must not have stood out for me.

I think he was brooding because he knew she was really good but saw where that was going and didn't want her to get hurt. But iirc there's a trick shot during the car chase the other ep where he shoots an arrow at her descending arrow to direct it or something, and I think that was meant to convey (through the act, through her reaction) that he's still a lot better than she is. She did pick up on the coin trick pretty fast, though!

I just double checked the episode.
When they're on the subway train after the car chase he says "You're not wrong to call yourself one of the world's greatest archers" while she's talking about walking the dog.
Also he shoots her arrow to hit it with a Pym particle arrow and massively increase its size to take out a tracksuit mafia truck speeding up to crash into them.

Hah, yeah, that's right. Still, I'd count hitting another arrow in mid-flight as proof that you're probably the best.

It's jarring every time I'm reminded that Clint has a wife & kids; they're trying their best to square that with his "sullen loner" vibe, but maybe not entirely successfully.

I thought it was funny that his wife didn't at all suspect him of, you know, being unfaithful – even just for dramatic enhancement – when they talk on the phone and he's all - "Yeeeeah, Honey... I dunno, things are really bad here, I think it's gonna be another couple of days. Boy, it's just a mess, the 'big man' may be involved. I'm working closely with this girl who grew up obsessed with me, it's all good, will keep you posted!"

Does she exist in the comics? Because in the show she seems very much a partner in every sense. She knows other languages (German?) to speak to him so her kids won't understand, she knows her husband was a murderer-for-hire, she researched stuff for him and so on. She clearly seems to be used to hiding out and moving around and otherwise being in danger.

I don't think so. He was married to Mockingbird at one point.

She might still turn out to be Mockingbird. She’s obviously got a past that hasn’t been revealed yet

Well Bobbi Morse exists in the MCU, right? (played by Adrianne Palicki)

Not sure that’s canon anymore, but there’s still a possibility she could be another version of Mockingbird

Hawkeye had a family in The Ultimates. They got slaughtered iirc. Fucken Millar.

...at least THAT'S non-canon.

Spidermens is ok. Feels a little overstuffed and most of the baddies are still weak sauce IMO. Zendaya gives the best performance in the film. RIP Marisa Tomei's horrible Aunt Mae outfits.

i asked my physical therapist to spoil it for me and she flatly refused saying "i wouldn't ruin it for you or for anyone," even after i told here that the chances I see it before it leaks to the internet are basically zero. Lol, fanboys are crazy these days.

can somebody spoil it for me here? what are the big SHOCK REVEALS.

(use the spoiler tags obvs) or don't i don't care lol

I mean, please don’t go out of your way to that (at least without tags). I won’t be able to take my kid for a few weeks, and would prefer to save a little mystery for myself!

all three spidermens are in this for a fair amount of the movie, like half of it at least. So are Doc Oct (no surprise there), Willem Defoe as Green Goblin, Jaimie Foxx as electro, what's his name as sand dude, and that lizard thing I tried to forget about. Garfield and McGuire both good; McGuire really showing his age now though. It's very clear how much each actor studied the others for speech patterns. Aunt Mae dies. Everything is reset and at the end no one remembers Peter at all, and he is all alone at the end. Venom makes a mid-credits appearance (voice and goo that is, not Tom Hardy).

aw, that's all stuff i already knew! i was hoping maybe lady thor shows up or something.

anyways, thanks for full spoiling. i just wanna be aware of what the popular understanding of these characters is, i don't wanna watch it.

adding on another post credits scene, a preview of the next Dr Strange film: he goes to Wanda for help sorting out the mess he started here. Might also be useful to check out the Dr Strange and finale episodes of "What If?" - parts of the preview hinted at a link to that.

I quite liked this Spidey movie, better than the last one I think, though still not as good as the first or Spider-Verse (obvs). I mostly appreciated the course correction wrt to Peter Parker's character: he isn't the next Tony Stark after all. He's just Peter Parker, no. 27 of infinity. surprisingly bleak/bittersweet ending.

oh the other cameo is charlie cox as daredevil. dunno if this means he will start showing up in other things but it was a decent little scene

hm, that explains all the static i picked up about the netflix characters reintegration into the MCU

A mere $260 million earned in the US so far, clearly a flop.

Saw the @SpiderManMovie (thank you @screenxofficial)! And I tried to be a big boy, I really did! but alas...
WARNING: BRING TISSUES!
1) For the joy jizz, when you see your favorite good & bad guys from childhood all together up on the silver screen! 2) For all the feels & tears! pic.twitter.com/55hezLnjxl

— KevinSmith (@ThatKevinSmith) December 17, 2021

At this point I think the jorts were less embarrassing than a 51 year-old man tweeting out "joy jizz".

still not his worst tweet

for sure, still gross

You remember, your childhood, when this digital image was published.

Hawkeye final episode was about what I figured, which not a complaint -- though there are a few moments I'll headscratch at. The 'Christmas gift' at the end is a nice touch.

Dang, you hit it early! Haha

One of those cases where I figured my timeline will unavoidably spoil the hell out of it, so.

I’m firing it up now…

I enjoyed that! The Kate/Elena scenes were great. Some really cool stunts and on-location filming, too.

A few things did leave me scratching my head. What was the significance of the “gift”?

*Yelena

The watch ?

It means that Clint's wife was Mockingbird - SHIELD agent #19.

Huh! (That poster above was right!)

Btw – I've read those early Mockingbird comics, but I couldn't have told you that Bobbi Morse was "Agent 19" if you gave me 19 guesses. That's some deep fan service!

i liked this finale but much like TFATWS, it felt like there was an episode missing - truncated by covid perhaps.

Kingpin appearance was pretty meh, none of the menace he brought on the Netflix show. I liked Daredevil but I do have questions over how "un-family friendly" these characters are allowed to be on Disney.

was hoping for more Maya as well, but I guess she's getting her own show now.

They coulda maybe done a better post-credits scene, but oh wells

We watched Captain Marvel tonight – a really good one! Probably my favorite so far. They went in interesting directions and took some risks with the storytelling (particularly in the beginning), and it paid off. Bree Larson was great, she really nailed it. It was also cool to see stuff I know from the DeConnick comics (like the Flerkin).

Something I didn't quite get – why was Mar-Vell researching "lightspeed" tech on Earth, when the Kree obviously have warp drive and all this other super-advanced stuff already?

The 1995 setting was fun, and I liked the period-specific jokes. I kept looking for references to a few specific movies - particularly in the downtown L.A. scenes - but if they were there, I missed 'em. Turns out there was a subtle Pulp Fiction callout (Skrull sipping a soda), which I expected throughout the film but ended up not catching (there was also an "opening the glowing lunchbox" moment where they coulda leaned into it, but they didn't quite go there).

Sorry, I know everyone else saw this movie long ago...

*Brie Larson (sorry, I once knew a "Bree")

Just watched the beginning of Black Widow; it has a surprisingly “arty” look. (hey - young Yelena likes mac & cheese!)