"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

Lib Dems really looking like a government in waiting now imo.

— Agree to disagree 🍊 🍊 🍊 (@StefGotBooted) December 17, 2021

There have been 6 by elections since the 2019 election and Labour have got their lowest vote share since the creation of the seat in 4 of these by-elections

— Captain Pouch (@pouch_captain) December 17, 2021

Hate the LDs all you like for present and past misdemeanours, but sooner or later you have to face up to the fact that the second most likely outcome whenever the next GE happens after a Tory victory isn't a Labour victory, it's that the parliamentary maths gives Lab+LD combined the most seats. What then? Coalition or confidence & supply agreement?

Irrelevant to me given the current Labour policies

would've thought it was relevant to all of us!

And I'm sure the Lib Dems would be prepared to reluctantly go into coalition with the Tories

What makes anyone think the Lib Dems are keen to help out the Labour party this time though? Is it just vibes? Genuine q because I've no idea what they stand for.

A government that doesn't do anything to address poverty and inequality isn't relevant to anybody who cares about those things

^ this. It would be just newly interesting ways of presenting the same policies of rubbing our faces in the dirt

Glumdalclitch: I would think the logical answer is that KS's Labour, unlike JC's, is extraordinarily mendacious, corrupt and right-wing, and this would appeal to the LDs and make them feel comfortable about being in a coalition or agreement.

I think Grandpoint Genie is correct to say that one should consider what actual outcomes may occur.

Whether one actually welcomes these outcomes (KS as PM?) is another matter.

Is gg one of these brave thinkers previously suppressed by the ilx ukpol mob bc if so, no

Vote Labour for the “good guys” except they aren’t going to do anything about the things that matter to you and they’ll be calling you antisemitic if you object to anything or do anything other than shutting the fuck up and handing over your vote no questions asked.

Is gg one of these brave thinkers previously suppressed by the ilx ukpol mob bc if so, no

Not sure I understand this comment. Is being a "brave thinker" good? It sounds good. To my knowledge, I've never been suppressed by anyone. I remember my friend Dog Latin being ripped an extra one on one of this thread's antecedents, though.

So yes

The Lib Dems would go into coalition with the Tories again in a heartbeat, they'd go into a coalition with Pol Pot, they just want to feel important for a change.

Ming In

Charlie K the only one worth anything really

Until he was killed by Ian Blackford.

Classic Dorries

The process started with Oliver Dowden announcing he'd find a new Charity Commission Chair to push back on "woke" agendas; his successor Nadine Dorries swiftly appointed someone so unsuitable he's had to step down before starting. This is not how public appointments should work. https://t.co/sTDzKVj8Kj

— Helen Fry (@MsHFry) December 17, 2021

Hate the LDs all you like for present and past misdemeanours, but sooner or later you have to face up to the fact that the second most likely outcome whenever the next GE happens after a Tory victory isn't a Labour victory, it's that the parliamentary maths gives Lab+LD combined the most seats. What then? Coalition or confidence & supply agreement?

― Grandpont Genie, Friday, 17 December 2021 bookmarkflaglink

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I'd predict a 2.7% improvement in ministerial standards being maintained to a satisfactory level with a LabDem coalition of competence. But then unfortunately the Office of Value for Money on behalf of taxpayers did an audit and decided PIP payments were too open-handed. The NHS would still be doomed because it turns out lots of Labour ministers are compromised private health cronies as well. Lest we forget the Labour Right pin-up Owen Smith is now the UK government relations director for Bristol-Myers Squibb - that pharmaceutical behemoth that is facing a £1bn law suit for using Guatemalan people as human guinea pigs and infecting them with syphilis in the 40's.

The point surely is why did that narrative stick? Labour came second in 2019 & Starmer is meant to be someone who through a more sympathetic media than Corbyn can communicate with swing voters. The inability to persuade voters that Labour was a better bet is a major failure. https://t.co/aKKo2Z3tmY

— Tom Gann (@Tom_Gann) December 17, 2021

OJ wrong again shocker!

the only reason the narrative stuck so easily is because nobody likes Kieth. Even the fucking invisible man, Ed Gravy is a more palatable option to so called swing voters than that cunt.

in this case swing voters = tory voters having a boo. But when Starmer has just spent the last year+ trying to appeal to these people and ends up getting a third of votes Corbyn got '17 and less than half than he did in '19 then that is a failure and a bad result for him. blah blah byelection rules apply etc... just don't make excuses for the cunt OJ, there is already enough people doing that.

Forget her, what about him?

A woman has been arrested after banging on the Duke of York’s car window and shouting at him as he drove through Windsorhttps://t.co/R8HOkbZ3ZC

— The Telegraph (@Telegraph) December 17, 2021

Thought that was Fergie at first !

Appalling.

Fourteen years in jail is the sort of sentence you might expect if criminal actions led to loss of life. It’s absolutely not what you’d anticipate for disorder. This is a troubling knee jerk sentence. https://t.co/OpLQJArQSG

— Ewan Gibbs (@ewangibbs) December 18, 2021

The most serious thing he was convicted of, arson with intent to endanger life, will get you 10 years in most cases. The sentence might be excessive but somewhere around 10-12 is the minimum he was ever going to get, I think.

weren't they empty cop vehicles that he set fire to?

No, at least one had people in, who he threatened directly.

What a fucking dickhead

I would accept circuit breaker, day off at Xmas, circuit breaker, day off at new year. I’m not up for getting everyone sick over the next week then locking down for 2 weeks just for the sake of it. Makes no sense!

— Michael Walker (@michaeljswalker) December 18, 2021

Am laughing at this geezer who put his hands up in a 'don't hit me' while holding his beer pic.twitter.com/fHfIuA7C3v

— Moya Lothian-Mclean (@mlothianmclean) December 18, 2021

Don't think these fellas will be handed 10 year sentences

This is actually really infuriating. For most schools, the simple answer to her question is - we're not.

But there are schools in London, typically serving deprived communities, that have very polluted air. And kids die from it. That's poisoned air https://t.co/CF6P6F8I3Z

— James E. Baldwin (@james_e_baldwin) December 18, 2021

Horrible people being unpleasant to other horrible people, but at least this is amusing

EXC - big row in a Tory Whatsapp “Clean Global Brexit” group with over 100 MPs

It leads leads to removal of Nadine Dorries after she defending the PM … and then Steve Baker declaring “enough is enough”

Exchanges here: pic.twitter.com/SsktMPJNSW

— Sam Coates Sky (@SamCoatesSky) December 18, 2021

I would definitely take no small spiteful pleasure in Johnson getting 1922d out of no 10 even if the cunt will be just fine and another probably worse shithead will take his place ad infinitum, because I am not made of stone

Gove seems to have disappeared off the face of the Earth.

queen’s dead https://t.co/gNgtH0poes

— the gunch (@yproht) December 19, 2021

can't decide whether i enjoy "queen's dead" or "hearing from my sources that Starmer's about to resign" more

presumably this is gonna be some gash about vaccines with Johnson's face photoshopped onto Captain Mainwaring tho

probably yeah

When. When will they demand the rent he so clearly owes them.

Tbf as much as none of us are responsible for our family's actions, if one of my siblings turned up at my workplace with gallows & was inciting the arson of my colleagues offices and killing them with hammers, I wouldn't think it unreasonable to expect public condemnation from me

— Charlotte Nichols (@charlotte2153) December 18, 2021

Is that sarcasm, satire, irony? Who is Charlotte Nichols?

she's the very pleasant Labour MP who was happy to take selfies of herself proudly delivering campaign leaflets with an anti-GRT pledge on it.

Anyway the youngest Corbyn is always very rude about Piers on social media.

I would definitely take no small spiteful pleasure in Johnson getting 1922d out of no 10 even if the cunt will be just fine and another probably worse shithead will take his place ad infinitum, because I am not made of stone

― coombination gazza hut & scampo bell (wins), Sunday, 19 December 2021 13:37 (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah im like this too, i fucking hated may so much i enjoyed her humiliation but yeah also these people cannot be humiliated they are pure filth lol

None filthier than Johnson.

The Graun is running a story with a pic of him enjoying wine and a cheese platter in the Downing st garden during the May '20 lockdown with a party of 20 people. On the hit parade of Tory outrages of the last decade it wouldn't even make the top 40 for me. I know some people feel genuine anger about this stuff but I feel like it's such trivial shit. But of course people who have suffered family losses and couldn't visit dying loved ones are fair enough to feel anger.