"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

> north shropshire is where the glaciers ground to a halt

growing up in tewkesbury we were told they stopped just a few miles north of there (ie some distance south of NShrop)

maybe this is something all geography teachers tell their pupils.

important glacier news from internet user gibble's globe:
https://gibblesglobe.com/2019/05/07/quaternary-shropshire/

the Stretton Valley surely a fine sobriquet for the current Tory polling dip

I mean if your phone doesn't autocorrect Stratton ofc

(no scale on those pictures, mark. but even they show the lakes some distance from the terminal moraine. which i think that means we (and our geography teachers) can both be correct!)

((although my geography teacher was later done for kiddy fiddling so...))

this says bristol channel
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zy7cfrd/revision/1

nobody shed a gazetteer for him

The real question is why didn't the glaciers stop at any of the other countries they passed through?

they peeked out of the window, shuddered and drove on

Genuinely surprised that the LDs won this, and by such a margin. Remarkable.

Glad to see a defeat for the most disgusting government of my lifetime.

Glad to see a terrible result for the worst Labour leadership of my lifetime.

some lucky people would have made an absolute killing on the betting exchanges on that result. If I was that way inclined I'd thrown everything on a Tory hold and lost a fortune. Even though it's not as much of a shock result as some blue-ticks are making it out to be the margin of victory is still quite surprising.

It's v much disgruntled Tories voting for their backup option

Look, I'm celebrating too but Tim Farron (TIM FARRON!) holding a balloon with "Boris' Bubble" that is burst by Helen Morgan holding a giant needle is PEAK Lib Dems. pic.twitter.com/2iP7M1XChr

— Sooz "8 Days Til Xmas" Kempner (@SoozUK) December 17, 2021

A regressive alliance, if you will

Sooz Kempner, celebrating? Cancelled

She's gone into the crowd there, clear yellow

can't take braying LibDem triumphalism. Especially from that homophobic prick. Sort of wish the fucking tories had won now!

lol listen to this flailing cnut if you can bear it

You always know a government is in trouble when it starts blaming the media for the public not wanting to vote for them. pic.twitter.com/dqIqWX399p

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) December 17, 2021

Your chummy use of interviewer's first names won't help you now, cunt.

I'd like to see ol' Borry Johnson wriggle his way out of THIS jam

An ok thread.

speaking as a Former Lib Dem voter, there are two reasons people vote lib dem:
1. they're pro-civil liberties, pro-environment, anti-war and fuckin hate labour (me, back when I was young and naive)
2. they're tories who think the tories are a little bit crass (north shropshire)

— Another Angry Woman (@stavvers) December 17, 2021

Lib Dems really looking like a government in waiting now imo.

— Agree to disagree 🍊 🍊 🍊 (@StefGotBooted) December 17, 2021

There have been 6 by elections since the 2019 election and Labour have got their lowest vote share since the creation of the seat in 4 of these by-elections

— Captain Pouch (@pouch_captain) December 17, 2021

Hate the LDs all you like for present and past misdemeanours, but sooner or later you have to face up to the fact that the second most likely outcome whenever the next GE happens after a Tory victory isn't a Labour victory, it's that the parliamentary maths gives Lab+LD combined the most seats. What then? Coalition or confidence & supply agreement?

Irrelevant to me given the current Labour policies

would've thought it was relevant to all of us!

And I'm sure the Lib Dems would be prepared to reluctantly go into coalition with the Tories

What makes anyone think the Lib Dems are keen to help out the Labour party this time though? Is it just vibes? Genuine q because I've no idea what they stand for.

A government that doesn't do anything to address poverty and inequality isn't relevant to anybody who cares about those things

^ this. It would be just newly interesting ways of presenting the same policies of rubbing our faces in the dirt

Glumdalclitch: I would think the logical answer is that KS's Labour, unlike JC's, is extraordinarily mendacious, corrupt and right-wing, and this would appeal to the LDs and make them feel comfortable about being in a coalition or agreement.

I think Grandpoint Genie is correct to say that one should consider what actual outcomes may occur.

Whether one actually welcomes these outcomes (KS as PM?) is another matter.

Is gg one of these brave thinkers previously suppressed by the ilx ukpol mob bc if so, no

Vote Labour for the “good guys” except they aren’t going to do anything about the things that matter to you and they’ll be calling you antisemitic if you object to anything or do anything other than shutting the fuck up and handing over your vote no questions asked.

Is gg one of these brave thinkers previously suppressed by the ilx ukpol mob bc if so, no

Not sure I understand this comment. Is being a "brave thinker" good? It sounds good. To my knowledge, I've never been suppressed by anyone. I remember my friend Dog Latin being ripped an extra one on one of this thread's antecedents, though.

So yes

The Lib Dems would go into coalition with the Tories again in a heartbeat, they'd go into a coalition with Pol Pot, they just want to feel important for a change.

Ming In

Charlie K the only one worth anything really

Until he was killed by Ian Blackford.

Classic Dorries

The process started with Oliver Dowden announcing he'd find a new Charity Commission Chair to push back on "woke" agendas; his successor Nadine Dorries swiftly appointed someone so unsuitable he's had to step down before starting. This is not how public appointments should work. https://t.co/sTDzKVj8Kj

— Helen Fry (@MsHFry) December 17, 2021

Hate the LDs all you like for present and past misdemeanours, but sooner or later you have to face up to the fact that the second most likely outcome whenever the next GE happens after a Tory victory isn't a Labour victory, it's that the parliamentary maths gives Lab+LD combined the most seats. What then? Coalition or confidence & supply agreement?

― Grandpont Genie, Friday, 17 December 2021 bookmarkflaglink

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41mjm0NCYAL._AC_SY580_.jpg

I'd predict a 2.7% improvement in ministerial standards being maintained to a satisfactory level with a LabDem coalition of competence. But then unfortunately the Office of Value for Money on behalf of taxpayers did an audit and decided PIP payments were too open-handed. The NHS would still be doomed because it turns out lots of Labour ministers are compromised private health cronies as well. Lest we forget the Labour Right pin-up Owen Smith is now the UK government relations director for Bristol-Myers Squibb - that pharmaceutical behemoth that is facing a £1bn law suit for using Guatemalan people as human guinea pigs and infecting them with syphilis in the 40's.

The point surely is why did that narrative stick? Labour came second in 2019 & Starmer is meant to be someone who through a more sympathetic media than Corbyn can communicate with swing voters. The inability to persuade voters that Labour was a better bet is a major failure. https://t.co/aKKo2Z3tmY

— Tom Gann (@Tom_Gann) December 17, 2021

OJ wrong again shocker!

the only reason the narrative stuck so easily is because nobody likes Kieth. Even the fucking invisible man, Ed Gravy is a more palatable option to so called swing voters than that cunt.

in this case swing voters = tory voters having a boo. But when Starmer has just spent the last year+ trying to appeal to these people and ends up getting a third of votes Corbyn got '17 and less than half than he did in '19 then that is a failure and a bad result for him. blah blah byelection rules apply etc... just don't make excuses for the cunt OJ, there is already enough people doing that.

Forget her, what about him?

A woman has been arrested after banging on the Duke of York’s car window and shouting at him as he drove through Windsorhttps://t.co/R8HOkbZ3ZC

— The Telegraph (@Telegraph) December 17, 2021

Thought that was Fergie at first !

Appalling.

Fourteen years in jail is the sort of sentence you might expect if criminal actions led to loss of life. It’s absolutely not what you’d anticipate for disorder. This is a troubling knee jerk sentence. https://t.co/OpLQJArQSG

— Ewan Gibbs (@ewangibbs) December 18, 2021

The most serious thing he was convicted of, arson with intent to endanger life, will get you 10 years in most cases. The sentence might be excessive but somewhere around 10-12 is the minimum he was ever going to get, I think.