HBO's Succession - Season 2 and Beyond

You already see her recalculating and recalibrating, especially the realization that now she actually needs Tom.

Performances by the sibling trio were good all season, but they were really great in the last episode.

i love it when the three of them are together, even when it’s bad it’s always so great

sounds au courant on a tv show but would sound unbearably passe/cringe on here or twitter (or anywhere on the web)

this isn’t the fault of a writer, when they know this moves fast. it sounds absolutely like the lingo of someone who thinks they’re online but isn’t, or someone who has online trends mediated through an assistant. kendall (and these other characters) have never been on the ephemeral zeitgeist, it’s all extremely mediated. ken’s probably the poster child for “saw the slogan, never looked into it” because he’s got that weird lingo that’s internal to a group of associates, not quite friends, who riff on things poorly.

extremely awkward, these people have never been part of an in-group even at rich kid boarding school. just dying at kendall’s theme for his birthday party, “ready to die” and with 40s, mini wu-tang (I barely missed seeing mini-kiss at an extremely corporate conference once), just not even cringe but sub-cringe

"We began the casting process. [...] I remember looking at kids. I was very excited to realize that, and then the great [Succession creator] Jesse Armstrong [said] it was one of those things to pull back from, to realize that just saying it and alluding to them was probably funnier."

lol yes

"I've killed a kid..." - Roman

tom season 4 episode 1 #succession pic.twitter.com/3D74IMxL7s

— Chad Pemberton (@chadpemberton) December 13, 2021

I like it when the zings are worse and malapropisms abound

these people are just not as clever as they want you to think they are

On the last Succession podcast, Jesse Armstrong says something along the lines of how a lot of the jokes and comebacks and zingers are deliberately a bit lame and shit, because this isn't an out and out comedy and these aren't comedians. They're supposed to talk how real people would talk.

real billionaires

i mean Logan especially jokes like a person whos been *treated* like he’s the funny person in the room… by ppl afraid of not laughing

xxp That is such a cop out.

it's true. don't care if Armstrong isn't genuenly funny, it would be extremely off-putting and weird if the ghuouls in this show had a good sense of humour.

sorry for that mess.

edited version: it's true. don't care if Armstrong isn't genuinely funny, it would be extremely off-putting and weird if the ghouls in this show had a good sense of humour.

they get some good hits in, and fire off a lot of misses too, roman is often found sighing after bad attempt, logan has many genuinely nice turns of phrase, mostly when hes mad

i thought it was fairly clear e.g. "wizard of fuck" isn't supposed to be the most cuttingest of wits. Thought the same about cunt of monte cristo. Logan doesn't really do humour. I guess saying
"ooh we need a supermajority" in a mocking voice fits in there.

like in Peep Show when Mark wants to call someone a jizzcock then over-analyses why that's a shit insult.

Tom gets the best lines.

Yeah, you are meant to be laughing *at* them, not *with* them.

i thought it was fairly clear e.g. "wizard of fuck" isn't supposed to be the most cuttingest of wits. Thought the same about cunt of monte cristo. Logan doesn't really do humour. I guess saying
"ooh we need a supermajority" in a mocking voice fits in there.

ok the cunt of monte cristo is actually funny tho

Did not realize that Greg and Justin Theroux own a Lower East Side bar:
https://instagram.com/raysbarnyc

nero and scopus, together forever

God that scopus is the bleakest shit in a bleak show

it's funny how tom is just the biggest fucking weirdo freak but next to the sibs, he's a regular joe

lol my nephew bartended at that place for a minute

JCO throwing bows for no reason

hmm. you know this is concocted by writers, don't you?
"she" isn't thinking anything, she is following a script. https://t.co/KXbKds8Bas

— Joyce Carol Oates (@JoyceCarolOates) December 14, 2021

bad tweet imo

shes right tho i looked into it and apparently there is something called a script which i guess has the words from the show written down on it amongst other things

is she trying to drag people for wondering what going through a show characters head?

JCO is just an agent of chaos, you never know what insane thing she is going to say, she's right about 75% of the time and then just weird the other 25%.

Back to the Strong profile in the New Yorker: I feel like I read a different article than everyone else who freaked out about it. At no point did he come across as abusive or even an asshole to me. Intense and into his job? Sure. People all exasperated that he asked for a pillar to sit on for that breakdown scene, but then didn't use it...uh, ok? So fucking what?

yeah people just want to make a big deal

not sure why ppl are downplaying the tom betrayal ... logan genuinely didn't expect his kids to unite against him, tom told him they were, so Logan got in touch w his ex wife before it was too late for the kids to get to her and let her know what they were doing.

felt like clarifying that bc upthread there seemed a lot of confusion on that issue

xxp That is such a cop out.

― DJI, Tuesday, December 14, 2021 2:34 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

and agree w everyone else who said its obviously not a cop out -- these characters are written w a degree of realism, they're not supposed to be quipsters. (aside from roman, who obviously is supposed to have that characterization)

Rays bar looks really annoying

the burgers look pretty good not sure about the cooking a pile of onions on top part but im willing to give it a try

Now that it’s Wednesday and everyone has seen it, gonna say Roman got played by his dumb siblings and Gerri scolded him for it at the end. She wasn’t talking about herself she was talking about Roman.

— kang (@jaycaspiankang) December 16, 2021

saw this still on the TL today and he was such a little boy in this scene, it was heartbreaking! (and he can act?!)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGseybsVkAIuzKE

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGseybsVkAIuzKE?format=jpg&name=small

yeah those scenes where he’s regressing into childhood are so good, his physicality & everything is just 👌🏻💔

not sure why ppl are downplaying the tom betrayal ... logan genuinely didn't expect his kids to unite against him, tom told him they were, so Logan got in touch w his ex wife before it was too late for the kids to get to her and let her know what they were doing

I think you're right, but how do we know that? The show wasn't clear on this point. Everyone's assuming that Logan only got on the phone to Caroline when he heard from Tom that the siblings were on their way. But it's also possible he was already striking the deal with Caroline before he got the call from Tom. He knew he needed her backing to do the deal with Matsson. The siblings coming over to his villa couldn't have prevented any of it.

joyce carol is absolutely right

xp or could he have done it after they arrived anyway? The relative urgency also wasn't clear.

its a seriously dicey situation and tom made a thoughtful call, maybe it works out without him but it did work out with him, and hes on the team he played ball and chipped in

the kids really got their comeuppance for not maintaining relationships this ep

Shiv must be kicking herself for calling Tom from the car and giving him the lowdown on what they were planning. There was no need for her to do that.

she was probably excited to take down dad, so it was a personal call and not a business one, even tho it was about biz

For a brief moment, I wondered whether the plan would accidentally blow up because Tom would tell Greg, who would tell the contessa, who would tell [?]. I hadn't counted on Tom being calculating.

who would tell [?]

the sitting King of Luxembourg, who in an amazingly unexpected reveal is Greg's grandpa