EZRA KLEIN v MATT YGLESIAS

People's lives ruined by the state being described as exaggerations and 1st world problems xxp

Kids in the Hall is brillant, to be fair.

― Van Horn Street, Friday, December 10, 2021 4:06 PM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

one of my all time faves

VHS, plz notice that you will make no headway in resolving this disagreement and it is not because you are failing to make your points, but rather because your points do not penetrate the carapace of the people who are still responding to you.

...Oh, so that's what's been happening itt, I see, I see (briskly turns and leaves)

Man I wish we could bottle whatever caused that

lol

i think his points are clear but stupid

i also found them to be very clear. transparent even.

VHS, plz notice that you will make no headway in resolving this disagreement and it is not because you are failing to make your points, but rather because your points do not penetrate the carapace of the people who are still responding to you.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, December 10, 2021 4:30 PM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah, I'm getting to that conclusion. Considering it comes from the usual people who seem to take pleasure in insulting other people instead of advancing a discussion, it doesn't matter much.

The good news is that most of them live in a country with very high standards of living.

I’m really sorry Aimless but I have a rare form of synaesthesia that causes me to hear all your posts as a long fart noise, so I can’t engage with whatever it is you’re saying :(

Someone remind VHS how much he cares about Muslims when they happen to live in the same countries as the rest of us and can’t be used as props in an argument.

You are making a lot of assumptions.

VHS, plz notice that you will make no headway in resolving this disagreement and it is not because you are failing to make your points, but rather because your points do not penetrate the carapace of the people who are still responding to you.

― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, December 10, 2021 4:30 PM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah, I'm getting to that conclusion. Considering it comes from the usual people who seem to take pleasure in insulting other people instead of advancing a discussion, it doesn't matter much.

― Van Horn Street, Friday, December 10, 2021 4:53 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

dont make me tap the if youre going to be condescending you have to be smart sign again

No, I remember things you’ve posted. I don’t think anyone will have a more accurate take on you than lagoon though.

(long wet fart for the aural entertainment of gyac)

oh now it's bad to make assumptions, from the guy who implied none of us care about people outside the U.S. and told us to travel

Honestly when even the most dedicated simp for the ruling class is calling your defence of the status quo dickish

― coombination gazza hut & scampo bell (wins), Friday, December 10, 2021 3:02 PM (fifty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol is that me? I think I have some hang-ups about demonizing individuals, but I freely admit that the system is fucked

damn did u have to make it wet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzhmy9YJBH0

nothing is too good for gyac

Ha yep xps

these individuals = actual billionaires = the actual fucked system

But you are the reasonable one in this instance imo sorry to use you as the bar

sometimes i feel we rely on crude binaries, the system and the individuals can both be bad

dont make me tap the if youre going to be condescending you have to be smart sign again

― lag∞n, Friday, December 10, 2021 5:01 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

There is a particular sadness in being brought to call anonymous strangers stupid because you do not agree with them.

Good luck with the dystopia folks.

were all stupid sometimes

If we knew your name it wouldn’t make you less stupid

only if you are going to be condescending

Staying out of this moronic clusterfuck except to say that that trampoline video was great, lagoon!

lol ive watched it so many times

reminded me of when I was visiting my sister last week and for reasons I can't remember, I got her two children to start chanting in unison TOTAL DOMINATION. It was alarmingly easy

classic uncle behavior

imo the question 'is the US a dystopia' is unhelpful

the question should be 'what is bad, and what can be done'

― imago, Friday, December 10, 2021 3:15 PM (three hours ago)

i wash my hands of your DEMOLITION
DIE if you want to, you half-assed SHIT PUPPET

guy just think you could have been born on venus. it's over 800 degrees fahrenheit there. seriously, check your privilege

van horn street more like ban, scorn, yeet wow owned

Anybody read this from ftgi a couple of days ago:

I have in recent years felt frustrated when I observe a difference of opinion turn heated, turn into a pile-on. I have felt a desire to express things with the intention of de-escalation, that in turn have been perceived that I’m “siding” with the person who is being excoriated— though the opposite is generally true, at times I’ve myself felt revulsion at what is being expressed by the person being excoriated. I’ve been seen as playing Devil’s Advocate when oftentimes I’m genuinely interested in the ideas and thought processes of people I fundamentally disagree with.

This tends to be a thing that has caused conflict for me irl. I’ve stated that I’m interested in learning about the psychology behind people who espouse viewpoints that I think are fundamentally wrong, as a way of better understanding them, and perhaps finding a way of gently convincing them. I wish the same for myself when my own opinions are in the wrong. I do not think escalating a disagreement into conflict teaches anybody anything. I think that escalation only causes certain individuals to become more entrenched in their viewpoints. I feel that this point of view is out of step with present-tense discourse both here and elsewhere online, and also oftentimes irl. This is not so much a comment on this board specifically but a general observation on present tense state of discourse, which includes discourse on this board.

https://i.imgur.com/bnDvjPk.jpg

i wash my hands of your DEMOLITION
DIE if you want to, you half-assed SHIT PUPPET

― mookieproof, Friday, December 10, 2021 7:19 PM bookmarkflaglink

i always appreciate you dropping Jesus Christ Superstar lyrics into threads

ffs if ilx isn't a safe space for white supremacists

https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpaper/3840x2160/3033-Carl-Sagan-Quote-It-pays-to-keep-an-open-mind-but-not-so-open-your.jpg

He was high as giraffe pussy when he said that, though.

lol that ftgi post is gonna become ILX's Exiting The Vampire Castle.

Seems relevant.

What level of capitalism is this? pic.twitter.com/6BG7PrThiC

— Alan MacLeod (@AlanRMacLeod) December 10, 2021

lol that ftgi post is gonna become ILX's Exiting The Vampire Castle.

I found it admirable.

i'm not unsympathetic to it but don't believe it applies to all disagreements. it's a two-way Street, like.

As I said in the thread it first appeared in: if the objective is to "better understand and gently persuade" viewpoints diametrically opposed to your own, a message board discussion is amongst the worst ways of trying to go about that. Much more likely to be constructive if done one-on-one and/or offline.

but also don't think it really relates to this thread at all - VHS's point isn't particularly extreme and I don't think anyone's had any difficulties understanding his motivations for holding it, really.

Tell me in your own words what you think the original West Side Story was about, I’m dying to hear

— Muse of Ire (@MuseofIre) December 10, 2021

(in response to)

They remade West Side Story to be Race Class Narrative about gentrification and I’m here for it.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) December 10, 2021

and I don't think anyone's had any difficulties understanding his motivations for holding it, really.

― Daniel_Rf, Saturday, December 11, 2021 10:12 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Which are they?

You think Americans are oblivious to the hard predicaments of vast parts of the rest of the world and resent what you see as excessive self-involvement on their part. No?