"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

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And also, she isn't always right, but nobody's always right

― imago, Wednesday, November 24, 2021 1:06 AM

lj would just like to point out that etc

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 09:57 (four years ago)

Entertaining the possibility he is wrong again.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 10:12 (four years ago)

Lol

In a way I do feel strangely sorry for Boris Johnson, who has spent several decades spouting off the cuff bullshit and finding himself richly rewarded for it, only to discover this week that reality has flipped a switch and now all his old cheerleaders think its bad.

— Tom Whyman (@HealthUntoDeath) November 24, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 10:31 (four years ago)

Treating a speech to British business with the contempt it deserves is good tho, this is like when resistance types ended up making Trump seem cool because all they'd focus on was his lack of respect for protocol and etc.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 10:36 (four years ago)

xp please do not post that person here

mardheamac (gyac), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 10:40 (four years ago)

the BJ CBI show was a better speech than Starmer's for sure

calzino, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 10:41 (four years ago)

gyac, do you find his takes bad or is there something more sinister about him that I'm not aware of?

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 10:44 (four years ago)

How am I only just finding out that Tom Whyman wrote a pub review under the name "ADORNO4LYFE" in which he describes the regulars as "Lovecraftian" and "less than human" for being fat and balding https://t.co/GYwP4aE96L

— Jen's Fortress (@lusc_j) July 14, 2021

mardheamac (gyac), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 10:47 (four years ago)

Honestly one of the worst things I’ve ever read in my life and I’ve been an ilx poster for a decade.

mardheamac (gyac), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 10:49 (four years ago)

xp please do not post that person here

― mardheamac (gyac), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 bookmarkflaglink

LJ already posts here. Used to swimming in sewage.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 10:54 (four years ago)

honestly, what do you get out of being alive

imago, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 11:04 (four years ago)

anyway that Whyman review is like reading a Victorian explorer's notes or something, grisly

imago, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 11:09 (four years ago)

his Johnson take is also spectacularly fatuous and that's coming from me innit

imago, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 11:12 (four years ago)

I feel like cp is bad at 'takes' and I don't know why she can't stop herself from Twitter because she clearly doesn't even enjoy it.

Anyway, these gals and NB people were clearly not doing anything at all egregious, were engaging an issue in a much friendlier manner than trans people are usually addressed in the mainstream press here and are getting absolutely monstered because of the white tears of a bad children's writer who bought Scotland. That's sort of ask there is to it.

And trans people have for decades been an outsized creative cultural force so I'm not sure it's really fair to task them with inventing jazz now simply as a means of convincing bigots that they are deserving of basic respect. Nor is 'time heals' an especially sensitive thing to say to anyone on the receiving end of everything described above.

― plax (ico), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 19:07 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

All fair points. I would say that maybe I'm less tasking the invention of jazz than suggesting a wider embrace of the output that currently and copiously exists. But saying 'time heals' and taking a long view elides the steps and struggles necessary to bring that prophecy about, which I agree is unhelpful, so I apologise for that.

imago, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 11:15 (four years ago)

Stella Creasy campaigning for enhanced MP's Rights again just looks incredibly brattish and annoying. Like she really needs to take the bairn into the chamber when there is a perfectly good creche in the palace of Westminster.

calzino, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 12:01 (four years ago)

that Whyman fellow has a lot of cheese guy from Blur energy, an eminently punchable face etc...

calzino, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 12:06 (four years ago)

it's not really a brave stand is it? i mean maybe everybody should be able to take their kids to work, maybe work shouldn't exist, idk, this is a bizarre fight to pick

huile about oeuf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 12:06 (four years ago)

When she was pregnant she was constantly moaning about how tough it is to get the extra help to honour her constituency duties. But I'm sure all those £15000 donations she gets "towards staffing and office costs" must count for something.

calzino, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 12:10 (four years ago)

i assume she's pushing for her party to adopt a free childcare on demand policy

huile about oeuf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 12:11 (four years ago)

no i forgot Labour did a SureStart so that's all been taken care of forever

huile about oeuf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 12:12 (four years ago)

"you think you've got it tough (single mother struggling to keep the electric on in working poverty)... Try being Stella Creasy for a week!"

calzino, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 12:20 (four years ago)

Just imagine being mistaken for Lauren Laverne by ILXor Alba, oh the humanity!

When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 12:22 (four years ago)

not as bad for her as someone shopping Wes Streeting's face onto her bairn lol!

calzino, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 12:28 (four years ago)

child abuse IMO

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 13:00 (four years ago)

she's already exposed the poor kid to the toxic atmosphere of the Labour front bench tbf

huile about oeuf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 13:08 (four years ago)

poor kid, there should be an immediate Section 47 enquiry by social services

calzino, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 13:12 (four years ago)

god tom whyman is such a classic plonker

dogs, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 13:22 (four years ago)

https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/8801.png?quality=75&strip=all&w=1200&h=630&crop=1

can see why such a herculean specimen doesn't like being in the low company of ordinary ugly folk.

calzino, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 13:30 (four years ago)

a mix between max gogarty and johann hari with the swagger of tim dowling

dogs, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 13:56 (four years ago)

Germany's 🔴🟢🟡 coalition agreement, some key points: Greens get foreign ministry & new economy-climate mega ministry, FDP get finance ministry. Deal includes coal exit "ideally" by 2030, €12 min wage, 400k new homes/year, expanded state-based investments in green, digital etc.

— Jeremy Cliffe (@JeremyCliffe) November 24, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 14:46 (four years ago)

FDP the party of economic liberalism btw, so basically Germany's libertarian cranks. Great that they're getting the finance ministry.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 15:02 (four years ago)

Yeah, want to see what the detail is on "economy-climate mega ministry".

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 15:05 (four years ago)

Max Gogarty ?! What's he doing nowadays?

the pinefox, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 16:00 (four years ago)

he's an executive producer on Mortimer & Whitehouse Gone Chemsexing

calzino, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 16:24 (four years ago)

[lowers sunglasses to look you in the eye] on merit

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 17:36 (four years ago)

he’s a commissioning editor for telly docs at the BBC not even making that up

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 22:16 (four years ago)

I saw his name on something a few weeks ago and thought whaaaaaaa?

the thin blue lying (suzy), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 22:28 (four years ago)

That's right.

A quick message to those retweeting that appalling image and saying they are ‘not afraid to do so’.litigation isn’t a joke it’s a devastating and life altering experience and I would not wish it on anyone.I promise you Mr Corbyn’s lawyers are NOT messing around . Stop and think!

— Cllr Paul Nickerson (@CouncillorPaul_) November 24, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 22:43 (four years ago)

Sort your full stops out ffs, you're a disgrace

procter and gamble and huff (Matt #2), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 22:45 (four years ago)

All in all another awful week.

My own half-assed speculation on why this might be:

1. Right-wing framing very succesful: "oh the left say that the NHS is being destroyed *all the time*, crying wolf" etc.

2. LP have crap comms atm. Not just lines but visuals (ie. No Corbyn holding documents etc). https://t.co/7CKS8VnQki

— princess diana is in all of us 🚩👑🏳️‍🌈 (@joinaunionpls) November 24, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 22:53 (four years ago)

i think the many people who can't get an appointment with a GP might suspect something

huile about oeuf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 23:16 (four years ago)

Yeah I wonder really, maybe ppl might be putting it down to covid. An opposition that is saying nothing doesn't help though I also think our weird relationship with the NHS has a lot to do with it.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 25 November 2021 07:55 (four years ago)

A High Court case is currently underway to determine if the decision not to expand the £20 Universal Credit uplift to those on legacy benefits was discriminatory. If the court rules against the Government, the Department for Work and Pensions could be forced to pay up to £1,550 to individuals on legacy benefits.

that would be most acceptable!

calzino, Thursday, 25 November 2021 08:16 (four years ago)

I wonder how much UK media coverage will be focussed on the people on endless waiting lists for major surgery, becoming so desperate that they take their own lives. Probably just as much as disabled deaths have been covered in the last decade, but this will be much bigger.

calzino, Thursday, 25 November 2021 08:31 (four years ago)

they underfund it and then spin it's shortcomings as why it needs *reform* and people seem to swallow that shit so far.

calzino, Thursday, 25 November 2021 08:42 (four years ago)

it's understandable that some people suffering and/or watching loved ones suffer because of waiting lists, lack of access to GPs and other systemic failure are gonna blame the system itself and let's be real, the nature of the NHS is byzantine and it's often difficult to see what the cause of specific failures is

banning private medicine would be part of the solution, but successive Tory and Tory-emulation governments have deliberately increased this fuckedness and opacity, Trusts, PFI, blah blah, i am not a public administrator lol god forbid anybody let me near that kind of work but surely to god other countries with public healthcare manage it better than the UK does?

huile about oeuf (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 25 November 2021 08:49 (four years ago)

I'm just imagining the horror show when free at the point of access basic healthcare becomes as inaccessible to many as dental care is now. Well just imaging the US tbf.

calzino, Thursday, 25 November 2021 08:50 (four years ago)

for the last couple of years i find a line from the song "Sun City" loops in my head a lot:

"Meanwhile people are dying, and giving up hope"

huile about oeuf (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 25 November 2021 08:51 (four years ago)

think the next line was "This forensic opposition ain't nothing but a joke" but i may be misremembering idk

huile about oeuf (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 25 November 2021 08:52 (four years ago)

The Tories have always wanted to destroy the NHS and it comes with the brand, but Blair's role in escalating this is another reason why he should be executed.

calzino, Thursday, 25 November 2021 08:53 (four years ago)


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