Marvel Cinematic Universe, Phase 4 & Beyond (and a chance to change your vote)

(That’s not the same thing as the final CGI “going into production” tho)

The fact that costumes are CGIed onto the actors is another way in which the final 3D models are probably “in production” before the script.

This is entirely off-topic, but I thought y'all my appreciate it:

When my son talks about stuff that happens in Marvel movies, he always refers to, e.g., "the events of Endgame" – I guess b/c that's a phrase YouTubers use?

So this morning he asked me what I thought happened to some Pixar characters, and he began: "After the events of Soul..."

Haha. I read that in "IN A WORLD..." voiceover tones.

~steeples fingers under chin~ “Go on…”

Ha ha... he asked where (who) I thought Soul #22 ended up on Earth.

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Kate Bishop Hawkeye starts on Wednesday! I saw a TV commercial for the series last night, and it got me psyched in way that watching the full trailers on YouTube haven't (for some reason).

We watched Shang Chi as a family last night, and everyone enjoyed it, both the two of us that had never seen it and the two of us watching it for the second time. My wife even managed to stay awake. I feel like I'm in the minority thinking the CGI at the end was (for lack of a better word) a marvel: the scale, the way it was orchestrated, just the sheer amount of movement and information on the screen. I even liked the details of the lion-cat-monsters when they're just lurking blurry in the background. And the fight choreography is really good, too.

The making-of special was pretty sharp as well.

I started rereading the Fraction run in preparation for the Hawkeye miniseries and it got me super hyped all over again

Per io9

Speaking with /Film, Hawkeye director Rhys Thomas revealed the series is inspired by films such as Klute, Leon: The Professional and Home Alone.

That's...a range.

Also really enjoyed Shang-Chi, though the movie can't keep up the pace of its first two excellent action pieces

Is it the British comedy writer/director/actor Rhys Thomas, or the SNL director Rhys Thomas, or a third Rhys Thomas?

Trailers for Hawkeye definitely redolent of Home Alone and The Professional. But Klute? Hmm, I guess Hawkeye was killing people for money for a while.

(Like, if it’s the DtL/Spandau Ballet bloke, 98% chance it’s a joke making fun of the sort of thing ppl in these circumstances say)

it's the SNL one

xxp Maybe he just means aspects of the Fonda character generally?

i hope the next Dr Strange is equal parts Battle of Algiers, Videodrome, and Boss Baby

Apparently the Hawkeye series has been confirmed to take place two years after "the events of Endgame", which places it in late 2024 in the MCU timeline? That shit's confusing (or maybe not, if you're paying attention / care).

Right now, a kid that is getting a 31% on his midterm can tell you with pinpoint accuracy the aftershave Dr Strange wore before his accident

Did he cut himself shaving?!

excelsior true believers

Did he cut himself shaving?!

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Only in three possible outcomes

The less said about this Hawkeye show, the better.

True, because based on those first two episodes already up it fucking rules and everyone should let themselves be surprised. But there is one music cue in particular that I lost my mind over.

Glad you enjoyed it. I feel like I’ve been punk’d, lol. But maybe it’s on me—I’ve never seen any of the other shows, just the movies.

i enjoyed those first 2 eps, looking forward to more!

neds nerdy easter egg was quite nice - i wasn’t familiar & had to look it up but at least had a sense of who it was

I just read some run-throughs of the many Marvel/MCU easter eggs in these first two eps. (I caught more of the MCU ones than the deep Marvel references, even though I’m not much of an MCU-er).

It seems like they’re setting up a West Coast Avengers (or at least teasing the idea).

I strongly urge Kate-interested parties to read the Kelly Thompson/Leonardo Romero series from 2016. I really like it a lot. You can get the whole run by reading this book plus this book.

(It takes place some time after the Fraction series, but builds upon the Kate storyline contained in the L.A. Woman volume)

Seconded. Kelly Thompson is one of the best current Marvel writers imo.

First two eps were ... fine. But I assume things will pick up.

https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/new-spider-man-marvel-trilogy-tom-holland-confirmed

Spider-man trilogy? So I guess that confirms there *will* be three Spider-Men in the new one after all.

It would be hilarious if the new one does have Holland/Garfield/MacGuire (law firm or Motown writing team?) but wastes 90 minutes showing their origin stories three times.

I know they want to make him the new centre of the MCU after RDJ's departure but are people that interested in so much Tom Holland? have yet to see him carry a movie that wasn't Spidey

I really surprised how my interest in these marvel phases has completely waned, post Downey, it's appalling to me how key he was at setting the performance tone for the early years and I don't think they will top those movies, with Holland or any other actor, Downey brought a humour and humanity to these flights of fancy that doesn't seem to be emulatable in the newer phase, even with similar writing and 'comedic moments', etc

"Hasn't carried a movie that they're not starring in" is true for everyone, though? My mistaken impression that the next Guardians of the Galaxy movie would feature Thor would have been a challenge to it.

I don't know if my own interest has waned so much as reverted to how I initially watched the Marvel movies. That is, I saw Iron Man in theatres, but skipped Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2 and Thor until later. I think I wasn't particularly interested in the movies as more than just something to see on the big screen until "Captain America" and "Guardians of the Galaxy," which were much more character driven and better made/written than the aforementioned, which in turn helped keep me invested, certainly when they started ramping up the bigger arc with "The Avengers."

All the rest of them I've seen in theatres until "Eternals," but post-"Endgame" the MCU seems to be mostly picking up the pieces and setting things up for ... who knows. A bunch of mini big narrative arcs? A couple of parallel Big Bad events? No idea, but the movies and TV shows are clearly not there yet. There's Kang, there's Secret Invasion, there's parallel universes and time travel shenanigans, there's more cosmic stuff being teed up, the upcoming films seemed stuffed with iconic superheroes both new and returning, there's the Fantastic Four ...

"Hasn't carried a movie that they're not starring in" is true for everyone, though?

oh i was talking abt non-MCU roles - I meant that Holland has yet to establish himself as the kind of RDJ-like star that audiences might want to go see outside of Spidey/MCU.

To be fair he hasn't been in much else, but he was outshone by a ridiculously silly R-Pattz in "The Devil All The Time" and while I don't know anyone who's seen "Cherry" or "Chaos Walking", consensus seems to be that they were both pretty bad.

The teen drama vibes of the Spidey movies are also starting to grate, so not sure it's a great idea to bank three more films (plus appearances elsewhere) centered around Holland's arc.

Well, he'll presumably be out of high school before long.

I mean, no-one wanted to see The Judge, and Doolittle was pushed enough that it took in $200m and was still a flop - I think it might be an idea to wait and see how Holland does in Uncharted.

Also "only good in the MCU" is not that much of a problem when we're discussing whether will people want to see him in the MCU - Chris Evans was good in Knives Out, and a lot of people went to see it for what it was, but no-one surely thought it would do Avengers numbers.

Hawkeye Ep. 3 is significantly better than the first two! (They've all had different writers & directors; maybe this one got the team right?) The first 10 mins. or so are great; the action scenes / superheroics are well done; and the Clint/Kate banter (and dialogue generally) is better than before. The centerpiece is a long, satisfying car chase (....albeit the kind where the streets are conveniently cleared of other cars).

I just wish the acting were better. I don't remember what Renner was like in the Avengers movies, but he seriously acts in this thing like he's running his scenes, half distracted, in between rolling calls.

He's generally a good actor, too.

and Steinfeld is... OK. I've never seen her in anything (other than her voice acting for Spider-Gwen). I guess I assumed she'd be a really good actor, due to her award nominations for that True Grit movie, etc.

I already liked the first two Hawkeye episodes a lot, with very little complaints, save for the whole thing about him promising to be home for Christmas & running late (do appreciate that at least he's not withholding anything from his wife) & the LARP event coming off as pretty lame and unauthentic (or are there people who LARP like this?). But I really loved episode three, especially that car chase! I don't have any issues with the acting myself, I actually thought Renner did a very strong and convincing job showing Clint's hearing loss & his state of mind whenever Ronin or Black Widow are referenced. Hailee Steinfeld is a good fit for Kate Bishop. I'd seen her in Bumblebee before and also thought she carried that starring role well.

How amazing would it be if Maya's uncle/the big boss turns out to be Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin from Daredevil - would fit with Echo's story from the comics, and it would be kinda cool to have the Netflix series properly find their way into the MCU, especially with one of the highlights from those series, but maybe also kinda confusing at this point?.

Funny seeing Biggs out of Reservation Dogs after that. Can't remember what I've seen him in outside of that. So is it like a John Ratzenberger in Cheers thong where he's going to be known for a role he's playing against type.
Anyway, enjoying this.

re Netflix tie-in please no

re Zahn McClarnon, he had a memorable episode in Westworld and owned the final scene of Fargo s2

Pretty certain they're setting up a Big Twist re: Kate's mom – so much so that it won't be much of a surprise when it arrives! – but we'll see. They've already deviated significantly from Kate's comic book background re: her parents, and our knowledge of the comic storyline may be coloring my expectations.

my understanding is that the netflix defenders are being shuffled back into the mix? though maybe not iron fist lol