Joe Money, Joe Problems: the November 2021 U.S. Politics Thread

Look even if he walks free the kid is not gonna have a normal life at all, see how this worked out for George Zimmerman and OJ Simpson

― frogbs, Wednesday, November 10, 2021 6:31 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

well, there is one big difference between rittenhouse and zimmerman/oj.

This kid will be a congressman.

It wouldn’t surprise me, sadly.

As someone who lives about a mile from where the pigfaced fucker Kyle Rittenhouse is being tried, I just have to say that this shit is awful and exhausting, and yet not as bad as living through fuckface pig Derek Chauvin's trial prior to moving from Minneapolis.

The prosection has indeed been terrible, and the judge is indeed a rotten fossil of a man, conservative like all the judges in this backwards ass state. There have been parades of threeper trucks through town, Nazi stickers appearing overnight, and a cadre of "supporters" holding vigil in the city park across the street from the courthouse.

I have so many more opinions on this but they're generally just expressions of sad, tired rage and don't really lend anything to the conversation. I moved here for a great job and don't want to grow to hate the place before I've even lived here four months. Lake Michigan is pretty, that's a posi point.

Where are you moving next, so we know what to expect?

(But seriously, on the plus side: New Glarus! Brat Stop! Um ... Tenuta's?)

(Equidistant from Milwaukee and Great America?)

Xp I managed to land on the tenure track, so assuming I don't eff that up (and the conservative troglodytes in the legislature don't defund the UW System) I am not planning on moving anywhere for a good long while.

I don’t get it. If this dude was shooting people, do other people not have the right to confront him with their own guns? Isn’t that what the whole 2nd amendment conservative gun rights movement is all about? The right to defend yourself and others from active shooters, by confronting them with your gun if not straight up shooting them, regardless of whether or not they directly threatened you? Like, if Rittenhouse had shot some dude who had been shooting other people, he would have been a hero, right? But he just shot some people, and then shot someone who was confronting him with a gun for having shot other people, and he’s a hero in this situation too? So basically, he was golden no matter what the fuck he had done.

but see he's a good guy with a gun, the other guy is a bad guy with a gun

Like, what the fuck right did he have to shoot anyone, full stop?

business was threatened.

i mean of course it's absurd but even people who aren't raging NRA lunatics accept the twisted logic as "understandable" and refuse to prosecute actual murderers.

they're almost worse than the NRA assholes because they should be joining us to help defeat this gun fetishism but instead they shrug and go "well u know 2nd amendment and do i want to wreck a guy's life, he said he felt threatened!"

It’s almost like, simply because he had a gun, it was ok for him to use it, if he felt like he had to. But, what the fuck kind of anarchy is this?

It’s like the whole “stand your ground” legal bullshit. Here we had two people “standing their ground” against each other. Who was vindicated, who won? The one who shot first. We’re back to legalized duelling. This always felt like the natural endpoint of eliminating gun restrictions- everyone is armed, we’re having Wild West shootouts, and it’s a fucking coin flip as to whether you’re cast as the villain or the good guy. But probably if you’re white and you have an assault rifle, you’re the good guy.

The "test" of what's reasonable for a cop to murder you got set to the low bar of how threatened the cop felt before killing you. Since the cop could always testify that he/she perceived a threat, even if it was a misconception.

"I told the suspect to drop to his knees and raise his hands but he didn't do it in the requisite 2.5 seconds" (translation: I yelled incoherently at him) "so I drew my gun as a precaution and repeated my instructions (yelled at him some more and flipped off the safety) "then when he did drop and raised his hands I thought the cell phone he held was a gun (translation: he was a black man) It all happened very fast and I had to make split-second life-or-death " (translation: I panicked).

This garbage has been getting cops off for decades. Now the "feelings of threat" test is getting claimed by white vigilantes, too.

the "bombshell" testimony which will supposedly acquit him is such bullshit, the man was trying to disarm someone who ALREADY KILLED A DUDE.

The prosection has indeed been terrible, and the judge is indeed a rotten fossil of a man, conservative like all the judges in this backwards ass state. There have been parades of threeper trucks through town, Nazi stickers appearing overnight, and a cadre of "supporters" holding vigil in the city park across the street from the courthouse.

― underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Wednesday, November 10, 2021 6:40 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

don't let it get you down. Wisconsin is awesome. I think the good people outnumber the bad. and I grew up in fucking Manitowoc

anyway the disturbing shit about this is this apparently widely believed idea that the protestors deserved to die, because they were "there to cause violence". never mind that the only people who died were the those that this fucking Nazi gunned down. also never mind that these are the goons who made "ALL LIVES MATTER!" their entire personality for an entire fucking year.

To meet the demands of Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.), the White House agreed to drop a proposed 3 percent tax on taxpayers earning over $5 million, instead agreeing to target the higher tax to those earning more than $10 million, two people familiar with the matter said on the condition of anonymity to discuss the internal negotiations. The move exempted roughly 35,000 of the wealthiest Americans, or approximately .02 percent of the richest 1 percent, from the new levy, according to the most recent Internal Revenue Service data.

The Biden administration also agreed to pull a proposed tax in late October targeting 700 billionaires after it faced criticism from a number of top Democrats, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.), who complained in one phone call with senior party officials on Oct. 26 that the plan amounted to a publicity stunt, two people familiar with the matter said. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) also raised substantive objections to the plan.

publicity stunt

i'm imagining making $5M in a year. the government wants to take an addition 3% of it from me, because i'm rich. i'm so good at having money, i know how to calculate how much this costs. 3% of $5M is $150,000. i make $5M a year like a total badass, and now i have to give up $150,000 of it? so that it can be given to other people? wtf, i'm sick of being oppressed. i need that money

kyrsten sinema is my good friend, though. she looks out for me

nancy pelosi having phone sex with an 81-year-old billionaire

sorry, i just had to get that out of me. i'm going to put up some shelves

At the Kyle Rittenhouse trial this morning, the judge asked, given that it's Veterans Day, if there were any veterans in the room.

The only one appeared to be Rittenhouse's next witness, a use of force expert. So the judge asked everyone in the court to applaud for veterans. pic.twitter.com/LmjAuu5Vzj

— Nicholas Bogel-Burroughs (@NickAtNews) November 11, 2021

is it normal to ask the jury to applaud for the defense's witness

This guy is such a fucking clown, but knowing guys like him from that exact area (developers in the Kenosha area), he probably woulda applauded the prosecution's witness too if he was a vet. These guys have such a hard-on for the military.

gross

fuck if I see another screencap of the Harry Styles-Biff Tannen lovechild cwying on cue I might destroy every electronic device in a 5 mile radius.

prosecutor today basically accusing the judge of playing favorites without being able to say that for obvious reasons, and it's pretty obvious this is the case but hey, what can you do. "god bless the usa" amirite

He's totally lil' Danny McBride with no beard, come on.

is it normal for a judge to make an ass out of themselves several different times during a single trial?

yes

jfc

i'm imagining making $5M in a year. the government wants to take an addition 3% of it from me, because i'm rich. i'm so good at having money, i know how to calculate how much this costs. 3% of $5M is $150,000. i make $5M a year like a total badass, and now i have to give up $150,000 of it? so that it can be given to other people? wtf, i'm sick of being oppressed. i need that money

wouldn't it be a additional 3% marginal tax on income above $5 million, and not an additional 3% on the first $5 million?

that is correct

but i need that marginal amount

i was gonna create jobs

i was gonna create tacos

I'm at the combination job creation taco bell

This guy is such a fucking clown, but knowing guys like him from that exact area (developers in the Kenosha area), he probably woulda applauded the prosecution's witness too if he was a vet. These guys have such a hard-on for the military.

― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, November 11, 2021 11:45 AM (fifty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

can confirm, met some of these guys during the process of buying a home and moving here

Meanwhile:

A defense attorney for the men accused of killing Ahmaud Arbery is currently objecting to Al Sharpton’s presence in the court room, saying it’s intimidating. “We don’t want any more black pastors in here,” he just said.

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) November 11, 2021

Any more? How many are they?

I'm at the combination job creation taco bell

+2 OUTCOME FOR CUSTOMERS: ALL CUSTOMERS HAVE THE BEST MOMENT IN THEIR DAY AT COMBINATION JOB CREATION TACO BELL

fuck this piece of shit

#RittenhouseTrial Judge Bruce Schroeder breaks for lunch referencing the food that was ordered saying, “I hope the Asian food isn’t coming.. isn’t on one of those boats from Long Beach Harbor.” pic.twitter.com/UakvcxbSO1

— Kyung Lah (@KyungLahCNN) November 11, 2021

Always glad when assholes are too dumb to stay under the radar.

is there something to that remark I'm not getting

echoing fox news's supply chain talking points

xp -- I don't think so! I just mean it's bad that the judge is an asshole, but good that he's making it plain. If Rittenhouse gets acquitted, maybe the prosecution can appeal on the grounds that he obviously had the judge on his side? I dunno.

you can't appeal an acquittal :/