Italy is wildly underrepresented in this list, btw
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:27 (two years ago) link
I do agree that it's a bit sad more nations and styles haven't been represented but that's polls
― imago, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:27 (two years ago) link
And I think I got lazy with my ballot/was really blocked, but thought maybe no problem we'd get loads of good stuff instead of...Italy being wiped off the map?!
xps
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:29 (two years ago) link
no experimental shorts but gasp shock anime on the list
i voted for four anime films lol. none of them will make it. totoro and spirited away deserve it
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:29 (two years ago) link
I'm not sure of the reputation of the film school auteurs (Fellini, Antonioni, etc) these days tbh
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:29 (two years ago) link
there’s a way to lament that without seeming like you’re sneering at the unworthy voting plebes through half-moon glasses
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:29 (two years ago) link
xps to imago
Anyway, we've had enough, Eric. Save us. Wipe Italy from the map.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:30 (two years ago) link
*I'm* the one sneering? Have you seen my ballot, I bloody am one of the plebes! There are three animations in my top 25 alone lol
― imago, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:32 (two years ago) link
Film is much more diverse now. In the olden days, film was a lot less diverse and much more of a 'Western' (in TWO senses!!!) concern
Point of order: this is false, it's just that the stuff that got canonized and #discoursed came from that era. Films have been made all over the world since the medium's inception and with many cinematheques putting silent stuff online these days it's easier to explore than ever.
Again, a way of ensuring more diversity would be to do another poll where you can't vote for anything on the TSDDT list (should perhaps shut up about this unless I volunteer to do it tho).
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:32 (two years ago) link
came from those territories, not that era, sorry
I don't like Fellini that much but definitely De Sica, Rosselini, Pasolini, and Antonioni is good but fine whatever.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:33 (two years ago) link
Fair point, I should have said 'Western film discourse was a lot less diverse'
― imago, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:33 (two years ago) link
Film funding more unequal then too probably
― imago, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:36 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIUzVGtxQCY
― Exploding Plastic Bertrand (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:36 (two years ago) link
Antonioni def deserves a mention as just the daddy of a certain kind of cinema, I guess maybe Wong Kar Wai is standing in for him. Would have loved some love for Elio Petri or the Taviani Bros but that's daydreaming.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:37 (two years ago) link
Watch three Sembène films make the top fifteen.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:37 (two years ago) link
Antonioni def deserves a mention as just the daddy of a certain kind of cinema, I guess maybe Wong Kar Wai is standing in for him. Would
Really? How so? I'm curious. I'd have thought Jia Zhang-ke or Martel.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:38 (two years ago) link
it's been too long since i've seen red desert to include it on my ballot but that's the antonioni i would've voted for. as many ppl mentioned upthread some of these dudes were hardcore vote split
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:39 (two years ago) link
Gorgeous ppl being sad and pensive in gorgeous surroundings? Perhaps I misunderstand WKW, seemed his thing from what I've seen. xpost
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:39 (two years ago) link
I was thinking of form but you're right.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:40 (two years ago) link
― imago, Wednesday, November 3, 2021 8:32 AM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
nonono, sorry to give that impression
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:43 (two years ago) link
i'm just honestly hoping something else from my ballot places, my hopes are dwindling
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:47 (two years ago) link
From my 25 there have been 3 and 3 locks remain but I'm hoping somehow 5
― imago, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:48 (two years ago) link
oh i missed that fwwm placed last night. that's probably it for my ballot then
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:48 (two years ago) link
btw everyone should've voted for terminator 2 instead of jurassic park
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:49 (two years ago) link
voted for both of those indie darlings in my unranked section
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:51 (two years ago) link
hopeful for my #1 but wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t make the cut
Lotsa votes for The Godfather that could have gone to Bram Stoker's Dracula.
(Full disclosure, I forgot to vote.)
― jmm, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:53 (two years ago) link
is that a joke, because i like dracula a lot more than the godfather
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:54 (two years ago) link
happy that fwwm placed in a film poll at no. 21, which would've been unimaginable given its reputation when i first saw it in 2008
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:55 (two years ago) link
Kind of a joke, but I love Dracula too.
― jmm, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:55 (two years ago) link
critical turnaround on that movie is v vindicating, lynch never made anything better, not even the return xp
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:56 (two years ago) link
Dracula is a godfather too if you think about it.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:59 (two years ago) link
Feel like I should clarify the 'vegetables are good' comment: Back when I was getting my feet wet with this stuff, I treated myself to a summer long "History of Film" class taught by a local newspaper critic who used that term to describe certain classics (specifically Battleship Potemkin) that he felt were important historically, but that modern audiences would have a hard time for whatever reason getting into. This has become shorthand for me, and in relation to Andrew's list, I used it referring to Potemkin and Man With A Movie Camera without being specific.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 14:05 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XbT0QHYKAA
― Exploding Plastic Bertrand (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 14:08 (two years ago) link
Ah ok there is a gap between that and Rome, Open City xp
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 14:09 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmbk17xIcRw
― Exploding Plastic Bertrand (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 14:11 (two years ago) link
Of course different films are vegetables to different ppl as well. I know some silent cinema fiends who love Man With A Movie Camera quite w/o any whiff of homework about it (more difficult to imagine with Potemkin I'll admit)
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 14:13 (two years ago) link
I didn't vote in this because I thought it would be ALL French and Italian movies I hadn't seen, but given what's on the rollout I now feel like I would have been qualified. I may not know Antonioni but I know Jurassic Park placed too high.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 14:24 (two years ago) link
Man with a Movie Camera is like my definitive "you think its vegetables but its just plain fun" movie tip for when silent-curious ppl have asked me for recommendations
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 14:30 (two years ago) link
That was Close Up for me. Not a silent, but: expected enigmatic slow cinema social realism, got a fun and touching film about ppl and what happens when you start filming.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 14:35 (two years ago) link
I saw a screening of Man with a Movie Camera a few years ago accompanied by an improvising jazz/funk group. Hard to imagine that with Potemkin.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 14:58 (two years ago) link
always feel like films which are essentially collages of images and sounds intended to generate feeling (antonioni, vertov, maybe even malick) are fundamentally easier watches than films where the plot is the important thing, so seems odd that most people have this all the other way round.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 15:17 (two years ago) link
https://cansesclasseled.files.wordpress.com/2021/11/20-dr-strangelove.jpg
20. DR. STRANGELOVE, OR: HOW I LEARNED TO STOP WORRYING AND LOVE THE BOMB (Stanley Kubrick, 1964, UK) [1,043.37 points; 19 votes; Morbs silver]S&S: 114 | TSPDT: 46 | BOXD: 124
MORBS SEZ: "That Pauline Kael questioned why the filmmakers didn't supply answers for fixing the endgame of mutually assured destruction just makes me shake my damn head … what would Strangelove need to have aged well, Sarah Palin jokes?"if we were ranking comic performances george c. scott in it would have been my #1.― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:33 AMstrangelove isn't all that funny― the people vs peer gynt (goole), Tuesday, September 8, 2009 12:52 PMDr. Strangelove is a comedy, and "should I be laughing at this? what's wrong with me!?!" is exactly what it's about. I guess Kubrick should've done more comedies, perhaps his nihilism would've suited that genre better.― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:17 PMJust such a fantastic little comedic universe and a peerless cast to populate it. Even the music is funny― Number None, Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:47 AMthe thing about this movie (and is weirdly similar to Idiocracy for me) is that there aren't a tonne of hard laughs like my other fav comedies. but you're just watching this things grinning, totally thrilled at how brilliant it is. even my crusty-movie hating friends loved this.― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:40 AMI'm almost certain that there's a book, or film or something which has the title: Dr. [something} or how i learned to stop [something} and [something} the [something}― Slump Man (Slump Man), Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:22 PM (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglinkIt's a stanley kubrick films starring peter sellars, one of the best films either of them ever made.― Ed (dali), Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:26 PM (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglinkOh I don't know...― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:27 PMTMC has Fail-Safe on and so far it's quite a bit more entertaining than Strangelove, although as pointed out by the presenter this would have been a rather improbable opinion to formulate, much less defend, in 1964.― El Tomboto, Thursday, October 4, 2007 9:05 PM
if we were ranking comic performances george c. scott in it would have been my #1.― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:33 AM
strangelove isn't all that funny― the people vs peer gynt (goole), Tuesday, September 8, 2009 12:52 PM
Dr. Strangelove is a comedy, and "should I be laughing at this? what's wrong with me!?!" is exactly what it's about. I guess Kubrick should've done more comedies, perhaps his nihilism would've suited that genre better.― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:17 PM
Just such a fantastic little comedic universe and a peerless cast to populate it. Even the music is funny― Number None, Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:47 AM
the thing about this movie (and is weirdly similar to Idiocracy for me) is that there aren't a tonne of hard laughs like my other fav comedies. but you're just watching this things grinning, totally thrilled at how brilliant it is. even my crusty-movie hating friends loved this.― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:40 AM
I'm almost certain that there's a book, or film or something which has the title: Dr. [something} or how i learned to stop [something} and [something} the [something}― Slump Man (Slump Man), Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:22 PM (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink
It's a stanley kubrick films starring peter sellars, one of the best films either of them ever made.― Ed (dali), Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:26 PM (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink
Oh I don't know...― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, February 24, 2004 12:27 PM
TMC has Fail-Safe on and so far it's quite a bit more entertaining than Strangelove, although as pointed out by the presenter this would have been a rather improbable opinion to formulate, much less defend, in 1964.― El Tomboto, Thursday, October 4, 2007 9:05 PM
― Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 15:19 (two years ago) link
this isn't one of my favorite kubrick films. it's been a while tho
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 15:21 (two years ago) link
The humor in this film is like GEDDIT GEDDIT GEDDIT *digs elbows into ribs*
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 15:23 (two years ago) link
gentlemen you can't POLL in here this is the POLL POLL
― imago, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 15:26 (two years ago) link
there are plenty Marvel movies better than Empire Strikes Back and Jurassic Park
No.
― Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 15:26 (two years ago) link
yeah that was insane, albeit i'll make an exception for spider-verse
― imago, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 15:27 (two years ago) link