ILX All-Time Film and Morbsies Poll: RESULTS Thread for ILX's Favorite Movies, Films, Cinema, Flicks & Moving Pictures

It's kinda funny how many film fans I see simultaneously saying movies have gotten too chaste and safe while dismissing Fellini as a sexist dinosaur and showing little interest in a master like Bunuel.

it me, the guy who’s shocked that a bunch of dudes from the us and uk are mostly voting for films made by americans and europeans

My experience with cinephiles in Portugal as well as best films ever lists from film mags around the world suggests you'll have mostly US and European films dominating no matter where you poll, tbh. Cultural imperalism's a hell of a drug.

anyway whining about lists and polls is a time honoured ILX tradition. xyzz complaining that there'd been no experimental shorts but gasp shock anime on the list when in reality there'd been one of each should be the tip off that mostly he's just bored, and more power to him.

we've had two experimental shorts

Maybe I need to check the year end polls before the pandemic but we really had a pretty diverse set of films in those polls.

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Film is much more diverse now. In the olden days, film was a lot less diverse and much more of a 'Western' (in TWO senses!!!) concern, so a poll drawing from across film history sacrifices diversity for chronological scope

Italy is wildly underrepresented in this list, btw

I do agree that it's a bit sad more nations and styles haven't been represented but that's polls

And I think I got lazy with my ballot/was really blocked, but thought maybe no problem we'd get loads of good stuff instead of...Italy being wiped off the map?!

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no experimental shorts but gasp shock anime on the list

i voted for four anime films lol. none of them will make it. totoro and spirited away deserve it

I'm not sure of the reputation of the film school auteurs (Fellini, Antonioni, etc) these days tbh

there’s a way to lament that without seeming like you’re sneering at the unworthy voting plebes through half-moon glasses

xps to imago

Anyway, we've had enough, Eric. Save us. Wipe Italy from the map.

*I'm* the one sneering? Have you seen my ballot, I bloody am one of the plebes! There are three animations in my top 25 alone lol

Film is much more diverse now. In the olden days, film was a lot less diverse and much more of a 'Western' (in TWO senses!!!) concern

Point of order: this is false, it's just that the stuff that got canonized and #discoursed came from that era. Films have been made all over the world since the medium's inception and with many cinematheques putting silent stuff online these days it's easier to explore than ever.

Again, a way of ensuring more diversity would be to do another poll where you can't vote for anything on the TSDDT list (should perhaps shut up about this unless I volunteer to do it tho).

came from those territories, not that era, sorry

I don't like Fellini that much but definitely De Sica, Rosselini, Pasolini, and Antonioni is good but fine whatever.

Fair point, I should have said 'Western film discourse was a lot less diverse'

Film funding more unequal then too probably

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIUzVGtxQCY

Antonioni def deserves a mention as just the daddy of a certain kind of cinema, I guess maybe Wong Kar Wai is standing in for him. Would have loved some love for Elio Petri or the Taviani Bros but that's daydreaming.

Watch three Sembène films make the top fifteen.

Antonioni def deserves a mention as just the daddy of a certain kind of cinema, I guess maybe Wong Kar Wai is standing in for him. Would

Really? How so? I'm curious. I'd have thought Jia Zhang-ke or Martel.

it's been too long since i've seen red desert to include it on my ballot but that's the antonioni i would've voted for. as many ppl mentioned upthread some of these dudes were hardcore vote split

Gorgeous ppl being sad and pensive in gorgeous surroundings? Perhaps I misunderstand WKW, seemed his thing from what I've seen. xpost

I was thinking of form but you're right.

*I'm* the one sneering? Have you seen my ballot, I bloody am one of the plebes! There are three animations in my top 25 alone lol

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nonono, sorry to give that impression

i'm just honestly hoping something else from my ballot places, my hopes are dwindling

From my 25 there have been 3 and 3 locks remain but I'm hoping somehow 5

oh i missed that fwwm placed last night. that's probably it for my ballot then

btw everyone should've voted for terminator 2 instead of jurassic park

voted for both of those indie darlings in my unranked section

hopeful for my #1 but wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t make the cut

Lotsa votes for The Godfather that could have gone to Bram Stoker's Dracula.

(Full disclosure, I forgot to vote.)

is that a joke, because i like dracula a lot more than the godfather

happy that fwwm placed in a film poll at no. 21, which would've been unimaginable given its reputation when i first saw it in 2008

Kind of a joke, but I love Dracula too.

critical turnaround on that movie is v vindicating, lynch never made anything better, not even the return xp

Dracula is a godfather too if you think about it.

Feel like I should clarify the 'vegetables are good' comment: Back when I was getting my feet wet with this stuff, I treated myself to a summer long "History of Film" class taught by a local newspaper critic who used that term to describe certain classics (specifically Battleship Potemkin) that he felt were important historically, but that modern audiences would have a hard time for whatever reason getting into. This has become shorthand for me, and in relation to Andrew's list, I used it referring to Potemkin and Man With A Movie Camera without being specific.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XbT0QHYKAA

Ah ok there is a gap between that and Rome, Open City xp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmbk17xIcRw

Of course different films are vegetables to different ppl as well. I know some silent cinema fiends who love Man With A Movie Camera quite w/o any whiff of homework about it (more difficult to imagine with Potemkin I'll admit)

I didn't vote in this because I thought it would be ALL French and Italian movies I hadn't seen, but given what's on the rollout I now feel like I would have been qualified. I may not know Antonioni but I know Jurassic Park placed too high.

Man with a Movie Camera is like my definitive "you think its vegetables but its just plain fun" movie tip for when silent-curious ppl have asked me for recommendations

That was Close Up for me. Not a silent, but: expected enigmatic slow cinema social realism, got a fun and touching film about ppl and what happens when you start filming.

Of course different films are vegetables to different ppl as well. I know some silent cinema fiends who love Man With A Movie Camera quite w/o any whiff of homework about it (more difficult to imagine with Potemkin I'll admit)

I saw a screening of Man with a Movie Camera a few years ago accompanied by an improvising jazz/funk group. Hard to imagine that with Potemkin.

always feel like films which are essentially collages of images and sounds intended to generate feeling (antonioni, vertov, maybe even malick) are fundamentally easier watches than films where the plot is the important thing, so seems odd that most people have this all the other way round.