Sorry, I watched about a thousand fewer movies than anyone here so be gentle please. The list is already useful to me and I suspect I will get a lot more from individual lists later. Just venting some frustrations in terms of niche representations I'm interested in (which also includes more "global" cinema as others pointed out).
― gospodin simmel, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 10:25 (two years ago) link
lol Easy Rider is 100% a movie ppl only watch for historical context in 2021
Maybe, but historical context is sort of a precious thing in cinema? Like, I want to know how things felt at a time, and Easy Rider is maybe the best 60's film in those terms? There is a scene and a vibe there.
― gospodin simmel, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 10:32 (two years ago) link
Yeah no, nothing against that! I just thought that was what you were accusing Sunset Boulevard and Rear Window lovers of doing in the first place?
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 10:33 (two years ago) link
we have had films from Belgium, Hong Kong, The USSR, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Australia, Italy, Czechoslovakia, Spain, Turkey, Taiwan, Japan (x4) and 11 from France - this is probably more than similar polls, to be fair.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 10:36 (two years ago) link
xp Those two feel like individual takes on universal themes, not part of some bigger constellation of feelings if that makes sense. Entertainment movies that have since been surpassed in entertainment and insight on those particular subjects (has been-ism and voyeurism).
― gospodin simmel, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 10:39 (two years ago) link
Being “angry” at a poll is idiotic but I’m surprised by some of these assumed omissions too; I’d have said kiarostami was guaranteed to appear(and I still think varda will)
― siffleur’s mom (wins), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 10:40 (two years ago) link
Cannot wait for the world to burn so we can all get a Children of Men experience, then you can all stop banging on about it.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 10:46 (two years ago) link
Those two feel like individual takes on universal themes, not part of some bigger constellation of feelings if that makes sense.
Hmmm, I think Sunset Boulevard, being such a meta film, is totally immersed in its time and its recent past. Rear Window less so, though tbf the vibe of neighbourly cohabitation feels from a different world now even if it was supposed to be highlighting isolation even then.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 11:08 (two years ago) link
Rear Window 2021 is like 'a quarantining journalist languishes on his favourite webforum but notices that one of his boardmates has sinister opinions!' amiriiiite
― imago, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 11:10 (two years ago) link
Incognito Window
― imago, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 11:11 (two years ago) link
I appreciated and enjoyed the ballots you sent in for my own movie polls, xyzzzz, but this scolding people for picking the wrong movies--this is intended as tribute?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 12:19 (two years ago) link
i know you all love children of men but if cuarón makes the cut i’ll turn into xyz
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 12:23 (two years ago) link
xyzzzz__ gonna xyzzzz__
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 12:24 (two years ago) link
In fairness people did vote for a lot of middlebrow snooze material
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 12:25 (two years ago) link
rear window is an awesome movie and it’s hilarious to watch ppl complain about it specifically though
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 12:27 (two years ago) link
Being “angry” at a poll is idiotic
Might go with pointless instead, but agree with this. It’d be like getting worked up over Henry Flynt or Liliput not making the Rolling Stone Top 500.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 12:36 (two years ago) link
There's one recent-years film that I've already predicted to make the top 20. Fingers crossed
― imago, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 12:42 (two years ago) link
is it? think its more akin to being disappointed there's no music from africa on such a list. also i think it's legitimate to hope that an ilx list might be more distinct from other lists on the internet; with less stuff voted for purely because it's regarded elsewhere as part of the canon.
― devvvine, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 12:46 (two years ago) link
Disappointed, sure; I wouldn´t categorize the tone of these complaints as disappointment.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 12:49 (two years ago) link
We can properly recriminate when everyone reveals their ballots (longlists spoilertagged please)
― imago, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 12:51 (two years ago) link
this list seems to reflect what i’ve always thought of as “ilx’s taste in film” idk. v few people here are as genre-damaged as me
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 12:53 (two years ago) link
There's one recent-years film that I've already predicted to make the top 20.
Depending upon how recently you mean, my best guess would be Phantom Thread (based on its support in various ILX threads).
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 12:55 (two years ago) link
And yes, there are plenty Marvel movies better than Empire Strikes Back and Jurassic Park
however…. what
you have an argument maybe for one of the raimi spider-men but otherwise absolutely not
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 12:56 (two years ago) link
If there's anything distinctively ILX-ish about the list, it might be the high placement for Stop Making Sense.
― jmm, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 12:57 (two years ago) link
Or Showgirls
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 12:59 (two years ago) link
I will be very miffed if it's the merely-good Phantom Thread and not the one I mean
― imago, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 12:59 (two years ago) link
ah shit did i miss the snob off?
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:04 (two years ago) link
Ive been assuming The Master will be the consensus Anderson pick
still trying to wrap my brain around how a list with Stop Making Sense, Mad Max Fury Road, Groundhog Day, ESB, Jurassic Park, Alien, NxNW, etc can be described as "wheres the fun?"
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:04 (two years ago) link
hope it's phantom thread and not the master and absolutely not magnolia
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:08 (two years ago) link
it me, the guy who’s shocked that a bunch of dudes from the us and uk are mostly voting for films made by americans and europeans
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:10 (two years ago) link
I didn't mean any PT Anderson but fwiw I shortlisted The Master and that was all
― imago, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:13 (two years ago) link
Longlisted even
Would rather see Wes tbh
― imago, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:14 (two years ago) link
Italy is wildly underrepresented in this list, btw
― jmm, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:15 (two years ago) link
It's kinda funny how many film fans I see simultaneously saying movies have gotten too chaste and safe while dismissing Fellini as a sexist dinosaur and showing little interest in a master like Bunuel.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:19 (two years ago) link
My experience with cinephiles in Portugal as well as best films ever lists from film mags around the world suggests you'll have mostly US and European films dominating no matter where you poll, tbh. Cultural imperalism's a hell of a drug.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:22 (two years ago) link
anyway whining about lists and polls is a time honoured ILX tradition. xyzz complaining that there'd been no experimental shorts but gasp shock anime on the list when in reality there'd been one of each should be the tip off that mostly he's just bored, and more power to him.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:23 (two years ago) link
we've had two experimental shorts
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:24 (two years ago) link
Maybe I need to check the year end polls before the pandemic but we really had a pretty diverse set of films in those polls.
xp
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:25 (two years ago) link
Film is much more diverse now. In the olden days, film was a lot less diverse and much more of a 'Western' (in TWO senses!!!) concern, so a poll drawing from across film history sacrifices diversity for chronological scope
― imago, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:26 (two years ago) link
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:27 (two years ago) link
I do agree that it's a bit sad more nations and styles haven't been represented but that's polls
― imago, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:27 (two years ago) link
And I think I got lazy with my ballot/was really blocked, but thought maybe no problem we'd get loads of good stuff instead of...Italy being wiped off the map?!
xps
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:29 (two years ago) link
no experimental shorts but gasp shock anime on the list
i voted for four anime films lol. none of them will make it. totoro and spirited away deserve it
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:29 (two years ago) link
I'm not sure of the reputation of the film school auteurs (Fellini, Antonioni, etc) these days tbh
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:29 (two years ago) link
there’s a way to lament that without seeming like you’re sneering at the unworthy voting plebes through half-moon glasses
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:29 (two years ago) link
xps to imago
Anyway, we've had enough, Eric. Save us. Wipe Italy from the map.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:30 (two years ago) link
*I'm* the one sneering? Have you seen my ballot, I bloody am one of the plebes! There are three animations in my top 25 alone lol
― imago, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:32 (two years ago) link
Film is much more diverse now. In the olden days, film was a lot less diverse and much more of a 'Western' (in TWO senses!!!) concern
Point of order: this is false, it's just that the stuff that got canonized and #discoursed came from that era. Films have been made all over the world since the medium's inception and with many cinematheques putting silent stuff online these days it's easier to explore than ever.
Again, a way of ensuring more diversity would be to do another poll where you can't vote for anything on the TSDDT list (should perhaps shut up about this unless I volunteer to do it tho).
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:32 (two years ago) link