ILX All-Time Film and Morbsies Poll: RESULTS Thread for ILX's Favorite Movies, Films, Cinema, Flicks & Moving Pictures

it is so much more than tv and more than almost every other movie

It's at #17 in the Shmight & Shmound poll, which overlaps very heavily with this thread

https://letterboxd.com/lifewithnopants/list/shmight-shmound-2019/

Twin Peaks: The Return was one of the most amazing universes ever constructed, with the weight of all of what came before

Still TV

I suspect their top 3 will be the same as ours.

TP:TR shouldn't be on this list because it is only about 40% good, apart from anything else.

whatever

it's about 30% abjectly terrible, fwiw.

Is I'm Thinking of Ending Things TV? Berlin Alexanderplatz? The Wiseman films made for PBS? Etc., etc.

Berlin Alexanderplatz is TV.

Got eight votes in the 2012 S&S poll.

A lot of the Fassbinder TV stuff got retooled as Features and/or was shown theatrically outside Germany.

Berlin Alexanderplatz is TV.

― Chris L, Tuesday, November 2, 2021

that is such a ridiculous idea of what is worthy and what is not

did i'm thinking of ending things air episodically on a television channel over several months?

Right, but Twin Peaks: The Return got theatrical showings too...I just think that's a line that gets blurrier all the time and leads to inconsistency.

If it's multi-episode that's the sticking point, I'd again point to Wiseman's films.

Retooled cuts for cinemas are movies (the Fanny and Alexander rule). There's never been a theatrical cut of TP: TR, although I know it's been played in at least one theater.

I'm also not being completely serious here so I'll stop.

TV shows can also be art btw, I didn't call them television to diminish them.

I know it played in Toronto...I'm not being difficult on purpose. It's a division I'd like to see disappear (reflected on my ballot).

would love to check out the 180min theatrical cut of the return, but i don't think it would work all that well

xxxp it's not a "tv show" and yes you did

I've been watching Wiseman's films on Kanopy, have gotten up through Racetrack (1985)

Those Wiseman films usually get a theatrical release in advance of PBS airing & streaming them.

FWIW, I don't know why I arguing this, as I voted for Carlos--which I saw theatrically in a marathon three-part screening over an afternoon and evening.

Carlos is another good example.

Didn't know that about Wiseman's films--stand corrected on that.

xxp Why would it be an insult if I consider it a TV show? The best of any medium elevates that medium. I got engaged at that hotel from the show, I think I like it well enough.

because you disparaged it as a tv show dude

It'll be pretty funny if Twin Peaks: the Return places. 120 years of movies and we have to pilfer from television.

― Chris L, Tuesday, November 2, 2021

I imagine the Wiseman thing is part of his deal w/PBS.

PBS as of late has been picking up a number of festival-screened docs and running them as episodes of American Masters or Independent Lens (which is how they brand the Wisemans).

I voted for two American Masters!

lol if anything that post is disparaging film by saying it will have to steal from tv to find the best stuff xps

The Trial, Mister America, all the Decker movies and all the Oscar specials just about makes a top 20...

xp Exactly, if I thought there were only 237 good movies that would still be enough to fill out a ballot without stealing television's valor.

Room 237, Freudian slip.

Oh shit.
"You see? It's ok. He saw it on the television."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkBHwomU8AA8eV0.jpg

wtf is this about stealing "television's valor"?

I put To Catch a Beautician on my list so...

:)

I loved I'm Thinking of Ending Things, it took me a couple of watches to appreciate it. It was a 2 hour 15 minute movie, it did not air over several months

also loved Berlin Alexanderplatz, that got to me in a very visceral way and I had a hard time with it in the end

The Kaufman is an interesting case, because it would most definitely had a theatrical release (or a wider one, if it had one in the first place) were it not for Covid-19.

In the time it took to argue about if x title is TV or film, y'all could have been watching Stan Brakhage's crazy-kinetic, fathomless Black Ice (1994) instead. Check it out here.

surely Cléo from 5 to 7, but I love a lot of her films

― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 bookmarkflaglink

I salute your confidence.

At least 3 Kubricks, 2 Spielbergs, 2 Hitchcocks, fuck maybe this twin peaks TV bullshit. Woody Allen as the Cherry on top. Surprised we haven't had Wes Anderson.

voted for one kubrick I expect to place, and one bonus pick for a hitchcock which will certainly place.
also voted for another film likely to place which will generate a fair amount of objection / hostility on here.

You could call Berlin Alexanderplatz... a 15-hour movie

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 January 2018 22:01 (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink

also voted for another film likely to place which will generate a fair amount of objection / hostility on here.

^stoked for the Booksmart backlash

Wes Anderson would have some vote splitting I'd imagine - Fantastic Mr Fox vs The Royal Tenenbaums, for a start.

Wes Anderson is fine I guess, but didn't vote for any of his films, expect majority of people here feel the same.

Stalker and Beau Travail are sure to come? Hoping for Naked as well.

'vegetables are good for you' way this poll ain't about

'vegetables are good for you' is actually a good way to describe the way I feel about the list so far. Like, I'm sure Sunset Blvd and Rear Window are important for the history of cinema craft and genre formation, but are they among the 100 best things you could watch at any given moment (preferably with friends, significant others or new acquaintances)? Very little "fun" on the list. I know that canonic picks naturally swim out on top, but I'm still surprised by the amount of canon that got significant number of votes.

Vote splitting hasn't stopped Robert Altman (I love a lot of his films, it's just seeing five of his against what has been missed out from the poll that angers me).

"Like, I'm sure Sunset Blvd and Rear Window are important for the history of cinema craft and genre formation, but are they among the 100 best things you could watch at any given moment (preferably with friends, significant others or new acquaintances)?"

They are absolutely not. I mean Rear Window? This is like some half-arsed play put on the screen. You'd only watch it to check out the source of that Simpsons Episode of it.

"voted for one kubrick I expect to place"

2001, The Shining, Strangelove. Eyes Wide Shut has at least a great book behind it, and if you watch with that in mind there's more going for it.

Kane and Casablanca are the ones that will place that I'm good with.

the omission of still working masters like tsai, costa, jia or hou is pretty glaring. disappointing, but i guess not surprising, they've suffered from vote splitting more than english language directors

will be interested to see what the list looks like once you subtract anything that places in the imdb top 50

"Rear Window 50. Rear Window (1954) 8.4 "