I love it to death but I'm firmly in the "it's TV" camp.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:14 (two years ago) link
it's tv
― Clay, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:14 (two years ago) link
who cares
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:15 (two years ago) link
― Everybody Loves Ramen (WmC), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:16 (two years ago) link
it's about a lonely Parisian woman
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:16 (two years ago) link
:)
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:17 (two years ago) link
it is so much more than tv and more than almost every other movie
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:18 (two years ago) link
It's at #17 in the Shmight & Shmound poll, which overlaps very heavily with this thread
https://letterboxd.com/lifewithnopants/list/shmight-shmound-2019/
― jmm, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:19 (two years ago) link
Twin Peaks: The Return was one of the most amazing universes ever constructed, with the weight of all of what came before
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:32 (two years ago) link
Still TV
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:33 (two years ago) link
I suspect their top 3 will be the same as ours.
TP:TR shouldn't be on this list because it is only about 40% good, apart from anything else.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:35 (two years ago) link
whatever
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:36 (two years ago) link
it's about 30% abjectly terrible, fwiw.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:37 (two years ago) link
Is I'm Thinking of Ending Things TV? Berlin Alexanderplatz? The Wiseman films made for PBS? Etc., etc.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:38 (two years ago) link
Berlin Alexanderplatz is TV.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:47 (two years ago) link
Got eight votes in the 2012 S&S poll.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:49 (two years ago) link
A lot of the Fassbinder TV stuff got retooled as Features and/or was shown theatrically outside Germany.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:50 (two years ago) link
― Chris L, Tuesday, November 2, 2021
that is such a ridiculous idea of what is worthy and what is not
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:51 (two years ago) link
did i'm thinking of ending things air episodically on a television channel over several months?
― Clay, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:52 (two years ago) link
Right, but Twin Peaks: The Return got theatrical showings too...I just think that's a line that gets blurrier all the time and leads to inconsistency.
If it's multi-episode that's the sticking point, I'd again point to Wiseman's films.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:54 (two years ago) link
Retooled cuts for cinemas are movies (the Fanny and Alexander rule). There's never been a theatrical cut of TP: TR, although I know it's been played in at least one theater.
I'm also not being completely serious here so I'll stop.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:56 (two years ago) link
TV shows can also be art btw, I didn't call them television to diminish them.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:58 (two years ago) link
I know it played in Toronto...I'm not being difficult on purpose. It's a division I'd like to see disappear (reflected on my ballot).
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:59 (two years ago) link
would love to check out the 180min theatrical cut of the return, but i don't think it would work all that well
― Clay, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:00 (two years ago) link
xxxp it's not a "tv show" and yes you did
I've been watching Wiseman's films on Kanopy, have gotten up through Racetrack (1985)
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:01 (two years ago) link
Those Wiseman films usually get a theatrical release in advance of PBS airing & streaming them.
FWIW, I don't know why I arguing this, as I voted for Carlos--which I saw theatrically in a marathon three-part screening over an afternoon and evening.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:01 (two years ago) link
Carlos is another good example.
Didn't know that about Wiseman's films--stand corrected on that.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:03 (two years ago) link
xxp Why would it be an insult if I consider it a TV show? The best of any medium elevates that medium. I got engaged at that hotel from the show, I think I like it well enough.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:07 (two years ago) link
because you disparaged it as a tv show dude
It'll be pretty funny if Twin Peaks: the Return places. 120 years of movies and we have to pilfer from television.
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:10 (two years ago) link
I imagine the Wiseman thing is part of his deal w/PBS.
PBS as of late has been picking up a number of festival-screened docs and running them as episodes of American Masters or Independent Lens (which is how they brand the Wisemans).
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:11 (two years ago) link
I voted for two American Masters!
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:11 (two years ago) link
lol if anything that post is disparaging film by saying it will have to steal from tv to find the best stuff xps
― Clay, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:12 (two years ago) link
The Trial, Mister America, all the Decker movies and all the Oscar specials just about makes a top 20...
― the adventures of pavlo and schrödis (geoffreyess), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:16 (two years ago) link
xp Exactly, if I thought there were only 237 good movies that would still be enough to fill out a ballot without stealing television's valor.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:19 (two years ago) link
Room 237, Freudian slip.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:21 (two years ago) link
Oh shit. "You see? It's ok. He saw it on the television."https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkBHwomU8AA8eV0.jpg
― Chris L, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:33 (two years ago) link
wtf is this about stealing "television's valor"?
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:35 (two years ago) link
I put To Catch a Beautician on my list so...
― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:51 (two years ago) link
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:54 (two years ago) link
I loved I'm Thinking of Ending Things, it took me a couple of watches to appreciate it. It was a 2 hour 15 minute movie, it did not air over several months
also loved Berlin Alexanderplatz, that got to me in a very visceral way and I had a hard time with it in the end
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 04:39 (two years ago) link
The Kaufman is an interesting case, because it would most definitely had a theatrical release (or a wider one, if it had one in the first place) were it not for Covid-19.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 04:53 (two years ago) link
In the time it took to argue about if x title is TV or film, y'all could have been watching Stan Brakhage's crazy-kinetic, fathomless Black Ice (1994) instead. Check it out here.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 05:20 (two years ago) link
surely Cléo from 5 to 7, but I love a lot of her films
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 bookmarkflaglink
I salute your confidence.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 07:50 (two years ago) link
At least 3 Kubricks, 2 Spielbergs, 2 Hitchcocks, fuck maybe this twin peaks TV bullshit. Woody Allen as the Cherry on top. Surprised we haven't had Wes Anderson.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 07:55 (two years ago) link
voted for one kubrick I expect to place, and one bonus pick for a hitchcock which will certainly place. also voted for another film likely to place which will generate a fair amount of objection / hostility on here.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 08:02 (two years ago) link
You could call Berlin Alexanderplatz... a 15-hour movie― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 January 2018 22:01 (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 January 2018 22:01 (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― calzino, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 08:20 (two years ago) link
also voted for another film likely to place which will generate a fair amount of objection / hostility on here.
^stoked for the Booksmart backlash
Wes Anderson would have some vote splitting I'd imagine - Fantastic Mr Fox vs The Royal Tenenbaums, for a start.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 08:25 (two years ago) link
Wes Anderson is fine I guess, but didn't vote for any of his films, expect majority of people here feel the same.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 08:37 (two years ago) link
Stalker and Beau Travail are sure to come? Hoping for Naked as well.
'vegetables are good for you' way this poll ain't about
'vegetables are good for you' is actually a good way to describe the way I feel about the list so far. Like, I'm sure Sunset Blvd and Rear Window are important for the history of cinema craft and genre formation, but are they among the 100 best things you could watch at any given moment (preferably with friends, significant others or new acquaintances)? Very little "fun" on the list. I know that canonic picks naturally swim out on top, but I'm still surprised by the amount of canon that got significant number of votes.
― gospodin simmel, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 08:38 (two years ago) link
Vote splitting hasn't stopped Robert Altman (I love a lot of his films, it's just seeing five of his against what has been missed out from the poll that angers me).
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 08:41 (two years ago) link