It'll be pretty funny if Twin Peaks: the Return places. 120 years of movies and we have to pilfer from television.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:11 (two years ago) link
sorry you feel that way
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:13 (two years ago) link
I love it to death but I'm firmly in the "it's TV" camp.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:14 (two years ago) link
it's tv
― Clay, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:14 (two years ago) link
who cares
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:15 (two years ago) link
― Everybody Loves Ramen (WmC), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:16 (two years ago) link
it's about a lonely Parisian woman
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:16 (two years ago) link
:)
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:17 (two years ago) link
it is so much more than tv and more than almost every other movie
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:18 (two years ago) link
It's at #17 in the Shmight & Shmound poll, which overlaps very heavily with this thread
https://letterboxd.com/lifewithnopants/list/shmight-shmound-2019/
― jmm, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:19 (two years ago) link
Twin Peaks: The Return was one of the most amazing universes ever constructed, with the weight of all of what came before
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:32 (two years ago) link
Still TV
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:33 (two years ago) link
I suspect their top 3 will be the same as ours.
TP:TR shouldn't be on this list because it is only about 40% good, apart from anything else.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:35 (two years ago) link
whatever
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:36 (two years ago) link
it's about 30% abjectly terrible, fwiw.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:37 (two years ago) link
Is I'm Thinking of Ending Things TV? Berlin Alexanderplatz? The Wiseman films made for PBS? Etc., etc.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:38 (two years ago) link
Berlin Alexanderplatz is TV.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:47 (two years ago) link
Got eight votes in the 2012 S&S poll.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:49 (two years ago) link
A lot of the Fassbinder TV stuff got retooled as Features and/or was shown theatrically outside Germany.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:50 (two years ago) link
― Chris L, Tuesday, November 2, 2021
that is such a ridiculous idea of what is worthy and what is not
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:51 (two years ago) link
did i'm thinking of ending things air episodically on a television channel over several months?
― Clay, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:52 (two years ago) link
Right, but Twin Peaks: The Return got theatrical showings too...I just think that's a line that gets blurrier all the time and leads to inconsistency.
If it's multi-episode that's the sticking point, I'd again point to Wiseman's films.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:54 (two years ago) link
Retooled cuts for cinemas are movies (the Fanny and Alexander rule). There's never been a theatrical cut of TP: TR, although I know it's been played in at least one theater.
I'm also not being completely serious here so I'll stop.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:56 (two years ago) link
TV shows can also be art btw, I didn't call them television to diminish them.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:58 (two years ago) link
I know it played in Toronto...I'm not being difficult on purpose. It's a division I'd like to see disappear (reflected on my ballot).
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:59 (two years ago) link
would love to check out the 180min theatrical cut of the return, but i don't think it would work all that well
― Clay, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:00 (two years ago) link
xxxp it's not a "tv show" and yes you did
I've been watching Wiseman's films on Kanopy, have gotten up through Racetrack (1985)
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:01 (two years ago) link
Those Wiseman films usually get a theatrical release in advance of PBS airing & streaming them.
FWIW, I don't know why I arguing this, as I voted for Carlos--which I saw theatrically in a marathon three-part screening over an afternoon and evening.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:01 (two years ago) link
Carlos is another good example.
Didn't know that about Wiseman's films--stand corrected on that.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:03 (two years ago) link
xxp Why would it be an insult if I consider it a TV show? The best of any medium elevates that medium. I got engaged at that hotel from the show, I think I like it well enough.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:07 (two years ago) link
because you disparaged it as a tv show dude
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:10 (two years ago) link
I imagine the Wiseman thing is part of his deal w/PBS.
PBS as of late has been picking up a number of festival-screened docs and running them as episodes of American Masters or Independent Lens (which is how they brand the Wisemans).
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:11 (two years ago) link
I voted for two American Masters!
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:11 (two years ago) link
lol if anything that post is disparaging film by saying it will have to steal from tv to find the best stuff xps
― Clay, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:12 (two years ago) link
The Trial, Mister America, all the Decker movies and all the Oscar specials just about makes a top 20...
― the adventures of pavlo and schrödis (geoffreyess), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:16 (two years ago) link
xp Exactly, if I thought there were only 237 good movies that would still be enough to fill out a ballot without stealing television's valor.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:19 (two years ago) link
Room 237, Freudian slip.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:21 (two years ago) link
Oh shit. "You see? It's ok. He saw it on the television."https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkBHwomU8AA8eV0.jpg
― Chris L, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:33 (two years ago) link
wtf is this about stealing "television's valor"?
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:35 (two years ago) link
I put To Catch a Beautician on my list so...
― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:51 (two years ago) link
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:54 (two years ago) link
I loved I'm Thinking of Ending Things, it took me a couple of watches to appreciate it. It was a 2 hour 15 minute movie, it did not air over several months
also loved Berlin Alexanderplatz, that got to me in a very visceral way and I had a hard time with it in the end
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 04:39 (two years ago) link
The Kaufman is an interesting case, because it would most definitely had a theatrical release (or a wider one, if it had one in the first place) were it not for Covid-19.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 04:53 (two years ago) link
In the time it took to argue about if x title is TV or film, y'all could have been watching Stan Brakhage's crazy-kinetic, fathomless Black Ice (1994) instead. Check it out here.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 05:20 (two years ago) link
surely Cléo from 5 to 7, but I love a lot of her films
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 bookmarkflaglink
I salute your confidence.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 07:50 (two years ago) link
At least 3 Kubricks, 2 Spielbergs, 2 Hitchcocks, fuck maybe this twin peaks TV bullshit. Woody Allen as the Cherry on top. Surprised we haven't had Wes Anderson.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 07:55 (two years ago) link
voted for one kubrick I expect to place, and one bonus pick for a hitchcock which will certainly place. also voted for another film likely to place which will generate a fair amount of objection / hostility on here.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 08:02 (two years ago) link
You could call Berlin Alexanderplatz... a 15-hour movie― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 January 2018 22:01 (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 January 2018 22:01 (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― calzino, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 08:20 (two years ago) link
also voted for another film likely to place which will generate a fair amount of objection / hostility on here.
^stoked for the Booksmart backlash
Wes Anderson would have some vote splitting I'd imagine - Fantastic Mr Fox vs The Royal Tenenbaums, for a start.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 08:25 (two years ago) link
Wes Anderson is fine I guess, but didn't vote for any of his films, expect majority of people here feel the same.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 08:37 (two years ago) link