ILX All-Time Film and Morbsies Poll: RESULTS Thread for ILX's Favorite Movies, Films, Cinema, Flicks & Moving Pictures

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I cannot watch The Passion Of Jean Of Arc without thinking of Limmy's Vines. It's quite striking, not only the facial similarity but also very much the camera angles and editing. I can hear the Glasgow accent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws-slxSyvAk

Noel Emits, Monday, 1 November 2021 16:54 (two years ago) link

there's plenty of corollaries to generic Oscar bait. Sting, Billy Joel, Paul Simon, Nanci Griffith, Patty Larkin, Patti Griffin, Suzanne Vega, Judy Collins, etc.
these are all artists who dropped out of relevance 20+ years ago, just when generic Oscar bait was starting to get into its insipid stride.

edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 1 November 2021 17:04 (two years ago) link

A lot of them are concurrent with the '80s, which I still regard as the height of a certain kind of prestige Oscar bait.

Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Monday, 1 November 2021 17:05 (two years ago) link

"Oscar bait" and "middlebrow entertainment" aren't entirely synonymous.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:10 (two years ago) link

Best Picture winners have always been prestige Oscar bait going back to All Quiet on the Western Front and The Life of Emile Zola.

Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:10 (two years ago) link

And, actually, now that I think about it, the Black Keys would totally be the contemporary equivalent to generic Oscar bait. The War on Drugs too. Maybe Mumford & Sons.

Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:11 (two years ago) link

<<"Oscar bait" and "middlebrow entertainment" aren't entirely synonymous.>>

True. 99% is not "entirely."

Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:13 (two years ago) link

Can we go back to poptism?

Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Monday, 1 November 2021 17:15 (two years ago) link

Confession: I find that central dance sequence a bore.

I would probably fast-forward it now unless I was watching with someone who hadn't seen it. But I'm glad it exists, it's so much a product of its immediate moment.

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37. CONTEMPT (Jean-Luc Godard, 1963, France) [845.71 points; 7 votes]
S&S: 27 | TSPDT: 40 | BOXD: DNP

MORBS SEZ: "I've never liked it; i can go listen to my married friends argue anytime (albeit not on Cote d'Azur)"

Sex, sun, sea and twisted automobiles. We've got Brigitte Bardot, Odysseus, Fritz Lang, Jack Palance, and the Casa Malaparte. Cinematic heroin.
― -8-(*_*)-8-, Tuesday, March 4, 2003 9:27 AM

Paradoxically, Godard's most conventional and greatest movie. He's not usually esteemed as a director of actors, but here the ensemble (with no common language between them) achieves a magnificent balance between different performance styles (possibly including non-acting).
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, March 25, 2021 9:42 PM

I like this film in spite of the terrible performances.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, March 26, 2021 11:44 AM

contempt seemed sorta hollow and awfully pleased with itself
― would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:51 PM

I think contempt is a good description for the way he treats the artifice of cinema. Which I always found kind of adolescent.
― look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Monday, August 27, 2012 9:00 PM

definitive godard flick.
― nutrasweet glider, Tuesday, November 8, 2005 7:34 PM

Well, I love Contempt, but I'd say it's probably the least "definitive" Godard I've seen.
― Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Wednesday, November 9, 2005 12:33 PM

Colin MacCabe has called it the greatest European work of art since WWII. I can't see that; not even sure it's the greatest Godard picture of 1963. Anyone else?
― the pinefox, Friday, November 23, 2007 4:14 AM

contempt is the worst date movie ever.
― s1ocki, Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:13 PM

Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Monday, 1 November 2021 17:16 (two years ago) link

Delighted a film we don't much like did well.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 November 2021 17:17 (two years ago) link

my favorite Godard film

Dan S, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:19 (two years ago) link

<<Can we go back to poptism?>>

Absolutely. I looooooooooooooved Booksmart so pretty please recommend any contemporary comedies as relentlessly witty and hilarious as this one.

Also, y'all should wrestle a bit with Hallmark Christmas movies. You don't have to watch any of them. Simply download the Hallmark Movie Checklist app and just look at all the titles! Literally hundreds of them! And they're freakishly popular. It's the closest film equivalent to Harlequin romance novels that I know. A fascinating phenomenon!

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Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:24 (two years ago) link

Zelda was relentlessly hilarious. Much better than Booksmart.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 November 2021 17:25 (two years ago) link

fond of this and la chinoise, the rest of the sixties stuff i find pretty trite. man didnt start making all caps great cinema till the eighties

devvvine, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:26 (two years ago) link

lang quoting holderlin extremely good imo

devvvine, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:27 (two years ago) link

which '80s Godard do you recommend? I didn't like Every Man for Himself and couldn't finish Lear. I haven't watched First Name: Carmen.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 November 2021 17:28 (two years ago) link

My second vote to place. If I'd forced myself to vote for 100 films instead of 26, I'd have included A Married Woman, Weekend and maybe Soigne ta Droite by Godard as well.
Je Vous Salue Marie is a good 80s Godard also.

y'all should wrestle a bit with Hallmark Christmas movies

I've had to watch dozens of Hallmark movies for work, you learn a lot about script structure, patterns and formulae.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:31 (two years ago) link

i love hallmark christmas movies, many of them are totally bonkers

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 1 November 2021 17:34 (two years ago) link

out of the 'narrative' stuff: carmen, l hail mary and germany 90 year zero for sure. i love oh woe is me even if it fails. among the experimental/video work i much prefer scenario du passion to the feature

devvvine, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:34 (two years ago) link

Last Hallmark movie I watched was Christmas at Dollywood, which kept delaying Dolly's appearance while assuring that viewer that Dolly was indeed coming.

jmm, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:37 (two years ago) link

Now that Hallmark makes GAY-neuter Xmas movies, I'm all in, KJB.

Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Monday, 1 November 2021 17:37 (two years ago) link

Suck it, Godard!

Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Monday, 1 November 2021 17:37 (two years ago) link

(Also, I thought I was catching a glimpse of a lady jock strap in that sweatshirt pic.)

Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Monday, 1 November 2021 17:38 (two years ago) link

fond of this and la chinoise, the rest of the sixties stuff i find pretty trite. man didnt start making all caps great cinema till the eighties

― devvvine, Monday, 1 November 2021 bookmarkflaglink

Late 60s and some of the 70s are really great: Weekend, Le Gai Savoir, Numero Deux, Ici et Ailleurs.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:39 (two years ago) link

Contempt is my favorite Godard as well. Just beautiful to look at. Absolutely love Jack Palance's over the top performance (basically as an American from the French point of view). I've only seen it once but that scene where Jack Palance is running, jumping and talking all over the place, eventually gets in his car to drive a really short distance on a film set while the two main characters leisurely walk to the same place definitely left an impression and is one of the funniest things Godard has ever done.

silverfish, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:40 (two years ago) link

Passion is another good '80s Godard. Hanna Schygulla! Isabelle Huppert! Live Action re-creations of paintings!

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 1 November 2021 17:45 (two years ago) link

My conservative guess is that a quarter of the final 40 spots will go to Kubrick/Lynch/Godard (or maybe substitute Hitchcock for somebody).

clemenza, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:46 (two years ago) link

Numero Deux

This is probably about the only post Letters to Jane '70s Godard I've attempted to watch and bailed quite early on.

Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Monday, 1 November 2021 17:46 (two years ago) link

morbs otm re Contempt.

I've never loved Godard. My favorite stuff of his is the zippy '60s stuff, Bande a Part and Masculin/Feminin, and I like him as a stylist. But any time anyone in his movies starts talking I get bored fast. I fully allow that I may just not be on his wavelength, and there is also a lot I haven't seen (because of the foregoing reasons).

I like Contempt's depiction of a relationship that is slowly disintegrating and then is ultimately destroyed by a seemingly inconsequential decision in a single moment

his 80s films have always been hard to find, but I see that my Kanopy service now has Carmen, Hail Mary, Detective, Oh Woe Is Me and For Ever Mozart

Dan S, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:49 (two years ago) link

I do think the central dialogue in the apartment between Bardot and Piccoli is a good piece of writing, acting and directing. Nothing else in the movie matches it tho.

Late 60s and some of the 70s are really great: Weekend, Le Gai Savoir, Numero Deux, Ici et Ailleurs.


def otm re ici et ailleurs which is astonishing as a work of personal indictment, but also where i think he gets started on his most interesting trains of thought. backs up the importance of anne marie mieville's thought and practice in his work too.

devvvine, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:52 (two years ago) link

I've been mostly bored by Contempt two or three times--Jack Palance has some funny moments. Tipsy's post above sums up my feelings exactly, including voting for one of the films he mentions.

clemenza, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link

(Or maybe it's Fritz Lang who has the funny moments, I can't remember.)

clemenza, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:55 (two years ago) link

I've liked the last 15 years of Godard.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 November 2021 17:56 (two years ago) link

Notre Musique is an underappreciated late Godard.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 1 November 2021 17:56 (two years ago) link

Soto, what's Zelda?? All I could find was a 1993 TV biopic about Zelda Fitzgerald.

Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 1 November 2021 17:56 (two years ago) link

A laugh riot, that one.

Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Monday, 1 November 2021 18:00 (two years ago) link

the legend of zelda: the image book

devvvine, Monday, 1 November 2021 18:06 (two years ago) link

Zelig? (Gawd, I hope not.)

Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 1 November 2021 18:11 (two years ago) link

i think alfred meant zola

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 1 November 2021 18:13 (two years ago) link

*masked antonio banderas on horseback wielding a sword has entered the chat*

imago, Monday, 1 November 2021 18:15 (two years ago) link

Zeldatopia

Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Monday, 1 November 2021 18:16 (two years ago) link

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36. PLAYTIME (Jacques Tati, 1967, France) [853.27 points; 11 votes; 1 first-place vote; Morbs silver]
S&S: 39 | TSPDT: 49 | BOXD: DNP

MORBS SEZ: "Saw this last night at Lincoln Center; at least my third viewing of the film, but never so eye-popping. I feel like I could go again tonight. I know it's on Criterion Collection, but run to the theater if it ever shows near you. You'll scarcely know what part of the screen to look at during the nightclub sequence. The only other film of its time it evokes is 2001 … Walking the streets around Lincoln Center afterward -- tourists taking pictures, pedestrians crossing in front of buses, everybody seemed to have stepped out of the film. This happens every time; the movie turns urban life into Tativille … as with Keaton, Tati is more about astonishment than laughter to me."

Love all the squeaky glass. I saw some old new version at the Walter Reade back in the late 90s. The funny thing was, I had a good friend staying at my house and as I settled in my chair on one side of the auditorium, I was semi-surprised to see her coming in (late as usual) and seating herself on the other. This is not a story of romance, just a story of movie-crazed people. 2001 comparison OTM.
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, January 5, 2005 12:24 PM

just... magnificent.
― Who Makes the Na'vis? (s1ocki), Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:09 AM

playtime is probably all-time top 10 for me
― clouds, Monday, September 3, 2012 10:29 AM

You could almost say that Modernism finds its truest expression in 'Playtime'. As so often happens, it's satire which most permanently commemorates the things it's supposedly undermining.
― Momus (Momus), Monday, September 1, 2003 12:52 PM

I finally completed the Hulot cycle (going backwards) about 6 weeks ago. Playtime is the best and actually plays pretty well at home since you keep re-playing bits over and over again. Although, having first seen it in a theatre, you do miss the sheer enormity of some of the shots and set-ups.
― The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, December 8, 2008 7:10 PM

omg I just started watching this last night and I felt like a child. When else has an artistic work been so deeply, breathtakingly beautiful and also so clever and funny at the same time? It has an effervescent magic to it that I just could not even comprehend. It also made me want to watch nothing but Tati and Greenaway and maybe Carax for the rest of my life. And the sound editing, my god!
― police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:39 PM

The only Tati I can stand.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, December 8, 2008 7:24 PM

playtime has always kinda bored me...guess I need to give it another shot.
― ryan, Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:17 PM

ugh Tati
― Simon H., Tuesday, January 16, 2018 4:25 PM

Tati's the only thing worse than Chaplin
― Washable School Paste (sexyDancer), Monday, April 10, 2006 11:13 AM

it's not the expectation of funniness that's the problem w/r/t tati and particularly this film. whether i sat down expecting to be impressed or expecting to laugh i'd just wind up, as i always do with him, as a tight little ball of anxiety expanding to pure hatred until the point where i just have to switch it off because it's no good for me. i wouldn't expect it to be funny but it's so completely the opposite of funny to me. if this is proof that it's working then fine but i'll keep it as far away from me as i can.
― jed_, Monday, September 3, 2012 6:39 AM

I also had a poor experience of Tati's supposed masterpiece. I went to see Playtime after a long absence from my local multiplex, a six-screener. I was disconcerted, upon arrival, to find that the place had been subdivided even further. From the escalator I could see individual viewing cabins, open-topped, stretching to the horizon, all painted the same shade of grey. Each one was occupied by a single viewer watching a single film via a head-mounted audio-visual apparatus. Wandering around the premises with my umbrella in hand and my hat and coat still on, I was able to observe a peculiar charade taking place. No sooner was a viewer led to a vacant cubicle by a grey-suited hostess (more like an air hostess than a cinema usherette) and fitted with a helmet than a second occupant was surreptitiously ushered in, a typist or junior clerk who sat at a desk beside the oblivious viewer, making telephone calls or typing. It would seem that the cinema business, in itself, was considered by the new Anglo-American management an insufficient source of revenue. I was soon apprehended by one of the hostesses, who asked me what film I was here to see, then led me to my own cubicle, which was number 12,346. The air-conditioning in this unit was overwhelmingly loud, making the hostess' instructions to me completely inaudible. She had to demonstrate the use of seat-belt, tray table and visor in a kind of dumb-show, by the end of which I had changed my mind about the whole thing. I escaped while her head was buried in the helmet, pausing only to indicate the cubicle to the typist waiting outside. I now became lost in the featureless warren of grey corridors, punctuated only by sleek security cameras which craned to follow my movements. Since the floor was slippery as ice, these became increasingly erratic, and I found myself slithering around, completely out of control. Yet no matter where I slithered, the security cameras craned their necks to watch, like a flock of storks choreographed by Busby Berkeley. It was suddenly very silent in the multiplex, and I became conscious -- slumped on the ground -- of three sounds: the ticking of my watch, the beating of my heart, and the sound of the ripping skin of the banana I had produced from my inside pocket and now began to eat. These sounds were so loud that several booth doors opened and angry customers gesticulated at me, waving me away. I waved back in greeting, only to find strong metallic hands gripping my wrists. A couple of apelike robots escorted me to the emergency fire exit and threw me out onto the helipad (so shiny I could see the Eiffel Tower reflected in it), where a jazz band was playing furiously, welcoming a VIP just then touching down in a helicopter. "I came here to see some Jacques Tati," I mimed to the tuba player, who was playing a deafening series of farting noises, "but this place isn't what it used to be". "But have you seen Playtime?" the brass-player mimed back over the din of the arriving helicopter. "It's a brilliant deconstruction of 20th century Taylorist rationality, juxtaposing the modernity of Max Weber's worst nightmares with 70mm vaudeville routines. Great sound design, too!" The helicopter door opened and Charles de Gaulle himself popped his head out. "Once upon a time there was an old country, wrapped up in habit and caution," he mimed over the din. "We have to transform our old France into a new country and marry her to these times. Are you coming with me?" I shook my head. "No, Monsieur le President," I mimed. "I'm going..." And I looked around and saw, amongst the cubic office blocks, a windmill. "I'm going to that windmill. That's my France!" "That's the Moulin Rouge," smiled de Gaulle. "That's where I'm going too. Hop in!"
― Grampsy, Monday, September 3, 2012 6:42 AM

Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Monday, 1 November 2021 18:16 (two years ago) link

I think this may be the first film to place that was on my ballot? Must remember to dig deeper into that Tati set.

Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Monday, 1 November 2021 18:20 (two years ago) link

One of my top 5. Have seen it twice in the theater (once without subtitles).

Chris L, Monday, 1 November 2021 18:22 (two years ago) link

Really like Playtime, such a one-off.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 1 November 2021 18:22 (two years ago) link

All films about couples arguing and breaking up are absolute shite and filmmakers really need to stop making them.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Monday, 1 November 2021 18:23 (two years ago) link


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