ILX All-Time Film and Morbsies Poll: RESULTS Thread for ILX's Favorite Movies, Films, Cinema, Flicks & Moving Pictures

I'd have to assume they count in the 'votes' count at least - otherwise Rosemary's Baby, at #100 appearing on 10 out of 60 lists-of-25 would be a little odd.

The honourable mentions were awarded one point each or something.

Sure - I think the point range is just higher than most people would intuit - Colonel Blimp on 715.71 points from 7 votes, for example

balthazar the least interesting bresson for me (the horses legs in lancelot over any of this) so put my votes for the big man elsewhere

75. THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE (John Ford, 1962, USA) [683.63 points; 8 votes; Morbs gold]

if you catch me on the right day of the week i might say this is the greatest film hollywood ever produced, hopefully more ford higher up. the unsettling, realist totality, of the limp enigmatic train moving away from us over the broad plain in the final shot is perhaps my favourite final shot in cinema.

yeah if there's a bigger genuine tearjerker in the 100 i'll be amazed

― imago, Thursday, 28 October 2021 bookmarkflaglink

i cried a bit when Back to the Future turned up

― maybe these baps are legends (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 28 October 2021 bookmarkflaglink

Lol

Prior to weighting, ballots' top 25 got from 100 points down to 76 points (or 88 points if unranked), and the honorable mentions all received 20 points.

(Full disclosure, I gave Morbs' ballot a tiny bit of extra weight because, frankly, he earned it.)

Damn straight

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60. SUNRISE: A SONG OF TWO HUMANS (F.W. Murnau, 1927, USA) [752.6 points; 10 votes; 1 first-place vote]
S&S: 6 | TSPDT: 8 | BOXD: 186

MORBS SEZ: "If you want your leading man's adultery with a Wicked City Woman to avoid alienating the audience, I guess clapping a wig like that one on Janet Gaynor is the way to go." (Slant review.)

I think Sunrise is overrated. For real Murnau action, check out Nosferatu, Tabu, or the Last Gasp.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, December 7, 2002 4:54 PM

I think Sunrise has the raw power of, oh, plays by Sophocles, that sort of thing.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, April 27, 2003 2:17 PM

its misogyny has always kept me from holding it close to my heart. I prefer the other Janet Gaynor film of 1927, Seventh Heaven. … I feel that Murnau's "Nosferatu" is one of the ten greatest films ever made, and suspect that the only reason people go on about "Sunrise" is that critical opinion does not like to accord just levels of acclaim to a film about a bloodsucking vampire
― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, April 27, 2003 3:58 PM

it probably has more to do with the fact that Sunrise is still a moving film, but Nosferatu (great tho it is) really isn't scary anymore. horror doesn't age well, sadly.
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, February 1, 2004 6:14 PM

OK, it's been a long time since I saw Sunrise, but I remember being bored by it. I dunno, maybe I should watch it again.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, November 3, 2003 4:02 AM

GOD SUNRISE SUCKED THE ONLY COOL PART WAS THE HOTT FLAPPER CHICK THEY WERE KIND OF LIKE SCENESTER BABES OF THE 20S NO PS I SAW THIS ON FUCKING 16 MM BITCHES
― Spinning Down Alone You Spin Alive (ex machina), Tuesday, November 9, 2004 3:03 PM

yay!

Low ranking aside, I still maintain that this is about as close to a consensus favorite as exists among people who treat film as popular art.

When it's on, I wonder if it's the peak of cinema's possibilities.

Then came Brett Ratner.

Good start. One of the handful of silents I've seen (the film canon I've explored the least)

Okay, now I definitely don't understand how you get over 700 points from 7 votes without any #1s?

Not that it matters! More people like more = more good!

That's where the weighting comes in.

raw point totals + (average points per vote x 3) + (number of votes x 10)

Oh cool!

Sunrise was my #1 vote, it's one of the most beautiful films and I love how effortlessly it shifts from horror to drama to comedy to drama again.

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59. SYNECDOCHE, NEW YORK (Charlie Kaufman, 2008, USA) [768.67 points; 9 votes]
S&S: 490 | TSPDT: 651 | BOXD: DNP

MORBS SEZ: "I thought the first 45 mins was the most unapologetic body-disgust cinema I've seen made by someone other than Cronenberg … I thought it was full of the worst of life! Which admittedly is not something most people want to see."

Its sequel should be called Metonymy Falls, Wisconsin. And then comes Metalepsis, Minnesota: The Vengeance of Adele. those unfamiliar with Greek names for figures of speech and upper-midwestern geography should just trust me that all this is hilarious
― nabisco, Saturday, May 24, 2008 12:29 PM

I couldn't stand this until Dianne Wiest's moment, so I'm in the minority. Hoffman's sad sack act grated on me.
― The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, March 15, 2009 1:00 AM

for realz, i'm ready for a moratorium on movies about misunderstood "genius" males who bang lots of women and alienate everyone. i would have loved to see a version of this where dianne wiest was the macarthur-winning PSH character and got to navel-gaze in the company of several doting young men.
― elliot easton ellis (get bent), Sunday, May 24, 2009 1:58 AM

I was just thinking about this movie this morning. I think it can be summed up by the phrase "crippling narcissism"
― Jesus, the Czar of Czars (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:08 PM

For me, a film can pretty much say anything as long as I enjoy just looking and listening. Some of the weirder Godard shit, for example, just sweeps me along and I blink and nod and look at the pictures, regardless of how "difficult" the filmmaking is supposed to be. This, though, is the UGLIEST film I've ever seen, on a technical/aesthetic whatever level, I don't know what word to use. On the other hand, a film about something horrific like genocide can make me put aside (or at least qualify) aesthetics in the name of giving me something to think about. But there's nothing to think about here other than self-indulgence. David Lynch, whose films I enjoy but am ultimately indifferent to, kind of walks a line between this nightmare/abjection philosophical shit and just cool visual poetry. Like I say, I'm not a fan, but maybe it works for him, I dunno. But this... The piece-of-shit filmmaking. The cowardice of the little gags (which is all you get really.. people point out that they found the movie "funny," but these are sad little jokes that refer only to the movie itself. That's manipulative, sadistic filmmaking, it's a very high price of admission for a few shitty little jokes and PSH's fucking mug). This actually WAS torture. I can only conclude that was the intent. That this film was an actual weapon. I was revolted by it.
― the fantasy-life of nations has consequences in the real worl (fields of salmon), Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:04 AM

it's my favorite movie, nothing else comes close at all. has been since the night I saw it for the first time. it was on the weekend, and I was so bowled over by it I went by myself again at one of the last showings on a school night that Wednesday or Thursday. I couldn't believe it, it just nailed me to the wall. I think the circumstances at the time - beyond seeing it in a theater and knowing nothing going in - compounded my emotional response significantly. But long after all that, the film still yields so much for me, it is the work of art that we watch Caden struggle and fail to create. And even though my viewing a few weeks ago felt a little tepid or removed, the movie's in the front of my head again. I saw a movie with Dianne Wiest in it today and I was on the verge of tears every time she was on screen. I kept thinking about her reverie toward the end of SNY, "Where is my little girl?...Where is my little girl?..." The only time we see "Eric," Ellen Bascomb's husband and (according to Olive) Caden's lover. It's beguiling but there are no loose ends or unfinished thoughts. But if you watch it again, you should be in a position to be absorbed and overwhelmed, otherwise I imagine the pitch and the speed can be ridiculous. I mean, for how powerful the movie is, it's also really fucking funny. Consistently.
― flappy bird, Sunday, December 30, 2018 3:21 PM

The silence says it all on this one.

Lol at thirty minutes passing and no comment. Another of the 'awesome when you're 17' films. Fuck everyone, amen, amirite!!!

I'm still shocked this placed above Sunrise.

Maybe we have a lot of 17 year old lurkers

I mean I can't talk, I placed Mandy in my 25. (But that's diiiifferent)

Oldboy gonna place next innit

Morbs liked it because, so far as I can tell, it's one of the movies that coddled his misanthropic worldview. So I can understand the lack of commenting enthusiasm.

Synecdoche has some interesting filmmaking but yeah, I mostly remember being pretty irritated by it. I think Kaufman works best in another director's hands. His partnerships with Jonze and Gondry were good balances.

i'll try to keep it positive and say that when this ran during my years managing an arthouse, it was very delightful hearing ticket buyers try & fail to pronounce synecdoche

Here's my first vote to place! I'm surprised it ranked above Being John Malkovich, which I didn't vote for and thought was more beloved.
I don't know what being 17 has to do with liking this. I saw it at 36, a few weeks after my dad died, and it captured the feeling when the pace of time passing starts picking up, the body starts decaying and preoccupation with death sets in. (One of the mordant jokes in this is that Caden Codard starts being consumed with his mortality in early middle age, and winds up living well into his 90s.) I agree that it is remarkably ugly for a great film.

one of the least interesting, most irritating movies i've sat through

This movie is great. 17 year olds would hate it. I have had to swear off Charlie Kaufman for my own well-being however.

I'm very much unqualified to comment (I didn't submit a ballot for this very reason!)... I like the central conceit in this (it's absolutely twinned in my head with Remainder by Tom McCarthy) and given that it's a reflection/rendering of Hoffman's inner world, I wonder if the ugliness is, to some extent, deliberate? This had quite an impact on me when I saw it (I wasn't 17) but I found it gruelling and I've no desire to ever see it again.

I remember looking up when Remainder was published as soon as I read it and discovering to my relief that it was before this came out

(okay I was 21, not 17, when I saw this, but it absolutely pandered to juvenile obsessions with metatextuality, angst and so forth)

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58. GROUNDHOG DAY (Harold Ramis, 1993, USA) [772.46 points; 13 votes]
S&S: 265 | TSPDT: 232 | BOXD: DNP

MORBS SEZ: "Groundhog Day is the last comedy star vehicle that succeeded on every level … it's a real achievement that the film's themes have usurped the day's original meaning."

We should just put Groundhog Day in at number one, and then do a poll to find the other top 99 films of the 90s.
― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, November 30, 2004 2:19 PM

have seen Groundhog's Day at least 437 times. I have a rather insane obsession with that movie. For a while, every single joke between me and an old friend of mine would start with a reference to Groundhog's Day.
― Allyzay, Monday, December 22, 2003 9:34 AM

Groundhog Day - is this secretly everyone's favourite film?
― pete s, Friday, December 19, 2003 3:49 PM

I never saw Groundhog Day (mostly because it has Andie MacDowell in it).
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, February 3, 2005 8:27 AM

Groundhog Day: so good that it makes up for the fact that Horsey MacDowell is in it.
― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, November 30, 2004 2:21 PM

Groundhog's Day is distractingly ugly. Not moody ugly or consciously ugly, just boring '80s TV drama ugly. The scene with Murray and MacDowell at the bar is the worst. Other than that, close to perfect.
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, February 22, 2005 2:29 PM

MORBS SEZ: "Groundhog Day is the last comedy star vehicle that succeeded on every level … it's a real achievement that the film's themes have usurped the day's original meaning."

We should just put Groundhog Day in at number one, and then do a poll to find the other top 99 films of the 90s.
― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, November 30, 2004 2:19 PM

have seen Groundhog's Day at least 437 times. I have a rather insane obsession with that movie. For a while, every single joke between me and an old friend of mine would start with a reference to Groundhog's Day.
― Allyzay, Monday, December 22, 2003 9:34 AM

Groundhog Day - is this secretly everyone's favourite film?
― pete s, Friday, December 19, 2003 3:49 PM

I never saw Groundhog Day (mostly because it has Andie MacDowell in it).
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, February 3, 2005 8:27 AM

Groundhog Day: so good that it makes up for the fact that Horsey MacDowell is in it.
― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, November 30, 2004 2:21 PM

Groundhog's Day is distractingly ugly. Not moody ugly or consciously ugly, just boring '80s TV drama ugly. The scene with Murray and MacDowell at the bar is the worst. Other than that, close to perfect.
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, February 22, 2005 2:29 PM

Another non-Morbs medal movie that he was oft to praise on ILX.

And yet, I'm sure he'd be the first to say it's more of a top 1,000 movie than a top 100 one.

my parents took me to this, the first live-action movie i saw in a theater, as a kid. i was too young to get the concept and found it totally inexplicable that i was not only watching boring adults doing things but watching them do the same things over and over. haven't seen it again to reassess, 1 and 1/2 stars

I love Groundhog Day, but it's nothing compared to Sunrise.

Bill Murray should've been in Sunrise.

Young, strapping George O'Brien should've been the groundhog.

and you the otter?

my parents took me to this, the first live-action movie i saw in a theater, as a kid. i was too young to get the concept and found it totally inexplicable that i was not only watching boring adults doing things but watching them do the same things over and over. haven't seen it again to reassess, 1 and 1/2 stars

I mean I can't talk, I placed Mandy in my 25. (But that's diiiifferent)

― imago, Friday, 29 October 2021 bookmarkflaglink

Shame this isn't stopping you.

Morbs liked it because, so far as I can tell, it's one of the movies that coddled his misanthropic worldview. So I can understand the lack of commenting enthusiasm.

― Milm & Foovies (Eric H.), Friday, 29 October 2021 bookmarkflaglink

It's an ok film. Not a top 100 but yeah Morbs otm from the one watch I gave it.

too low

I found Crumb so dislikeable as a person that I couldn't get into the movie at all. List is missing more pure comedies and unabashedly political films so far imo.

Maybe some Adam McKay movies will turn up; two birds with one stone.