On Sinema at the Sinema: October 2021 US Politics thread

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/10/28/us/biden-spending-bill-deal/budget-deal

DAMN

I believe I wore it better @BobMehr @SenatorSinema https://t.co/5afXX88BZL

— Aaron Neville (@aaronneville) October 27, 2021

The plan leaves out several major proposals, including paid family leave and lowering drug costs.

they are assuming the progressives are just going to be ok with this?

he campaigned on both of those specifically ffs

Sinema: "I don't know much, but I know I hate yooooooooou."

so the Dems won the trifecta by campaigning on a bunch of very popular ideas and are going to fail to deliver a single one of them, very cool

idk if I can even be too mad at Biden, I'm honestly not sure what he's supposed to do when this country is so rigged in favor of small states which allows the entire legislative agenda of a significant majority to be torpedoed by a single coal baron. god bless the U S of A

then again the shit he campaigned on wasn't going to pass anyway if Georgia hadn't happened

going to be great when this shit bill passes, doesn't do a damn thing of note for a majority of people and the republicans point to all the wasted money.

what are you talking about? many people are saying they love the idea of adding another line in the deduction section of their pay stub, and eagerly look forward to filling out another form to maybe (???) get paid when they take their 2 weeks of parental leave

in fact, 40% think it goes too far ;)

idk if I can even be too mad at Biden, I'm honestly not sure what he's supposed to do when this country is so rigged in favor of small states which allows the entire legislative agenda of a significant majority to be torpedoed by a single coal baron. god bless the U S of A

Biden’s pitch was that he was uniquely qualified to wrangle Congress, it was only months ago that ILXors were still talking about his skill at working them behind the scenes.

Beyond that, he wasted most of the year not aggressively asserting his authority/stature/popularity (on good policy, he exerted that authority all over Haitian refugees) - starting with President Senate Parliamentarian ensuring the minimum wage stagnates for another decade - because he bought into his own hype as President Deals.

The round of capitulations could have taken place in April, which would have at least made it possible for Nov. 22 voters to feel some tiny effects of the Biden admin.

starting with President Senate Parliamentarian ensuring the minimum wage stagnates for another decade

was just thinking about the big fear the raising the min wage at the time would cause the inflation

but instead inflation happened anyways effectively lowering the value of the starvation wages even more.

She’s one tough cookie. pic.twitter.com/VMzPiHk5YX

— Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) October 28, 2021

they're fucking trolling us! get fucked

lock thread
send to decontamination

stabby stabby

(Romney's cosplaying there as Sudeikis btw)

Sudeikis as Romney vs. Romney as Sudeikis pic.twitter.com/rV9SB3eodd

— 🕷🎃Trick-or-Keith🎃🕷 (@nagy_minaj) October 28, 2021

I thought it was Dabney Coleman at first.

Biden’s pitch was that he was uniquely qualified to wrangle Congress, it was only months ago that ILXors were still talking about his skill at working them behind the scenes.

bernie's pitch was that he was uniquely qualified to wrangle congress as well. that's everyone's pitch.

"it was only months ago that ilxors were still talking about"

i'm grumpy because i'm getting divorced and i'm moving and i'm still sober today, but i really hate this kind of line of thinking. as if it means anything at all. which ilxors? is that supposed to mean everyone here was talking about that? or is it more like "i remember a couple people who were arguing that, so now i'm going to make it seem like it was joe biden fever on ilx in 2021". being able to find a couple old posts like that doesn't prove jack shit, it's just flood the zone with shit shit

biden said he would be able to convince republicans to work with him, and then he didn't! he lied! waaaaaah!

oh stfu

how fucking pseudo-naive can you be

You might note what I was responding to there (it was quoted!) about ‘what Biden was to do’ and blaming/‘being mad’ at him.

If you believe we are at some point in the future going to have another Democratic president, then you could pretend-console yourself by saying, "NEXT time they'll know not to think they can build bipartisan support."

But since the former is only marginally likely anyway, maybe it doesn't matter. Biden will go down as the last gasp dying hope of functional government, and it will be all kleptocratic clown-show Handmaid's Tale shit from there on.

(Speaking as a resident of a state that's already gone pretty much full-on kleptocratic evangelical clown show.)

that is certainly one thing that might happen

My reasonably literate non-MAGA Republican bro-in-law and sister acknowledged a few weeks ago they loved the Biden child tax credit. We wouldn't be talking about a $1.7 or whatever trillion infrastructure bill had Warnock and Ossoff not won their races. I didn't take Biden "at his word," whatever that means. If some of the items reported in the proposed bill are true and he signs them, that's more spending by the federal government I've seen in my lifetime, and Joe Fucking Biden, whom no one here endorsed, is the president.

Given, as tipsy points out, what we emerged from and what might happen in '22 and '24, I'm impressed this happened at all.

I’d be more impressed if they took steps to avert the looming disasters of 2022 and 2024.

(And 2028 and 2050 and)

I would like a large pizza with mushrooms. I voted for a party that, I thought, would give me a large pizza with mushrooms. Instead, they are giving me a medium cheese pizza. That's disappointing.

Meanwhile, the other party wants to feed me arsenic and nails.

— Ian Millhiser (@imillhiser) October 28, 2021

I don’t know, maybe if they delivered on the large mushroom pizza then Arsenic Hut wouldn’t be the only chain in town next year.

Whereas one party is pretty much united in their determination to shove arsenic and nails down the throats of their constituents, the problem is that the other party runs the gamut from endless free pizzas with the works for all to, well, arsenic and nails. Say what you will about the GOP, but they know how to build and maintain a coalition. Evil is powerful as a binding force, I guess.

I voted for water.

I feel like having certainties about 2024 is a bit presumptuous. I guess no one really knew in 2005 that Obama would win, or that in 2013 that Trump would, or in 2017 that a pandemic would upend politics this much.

I voted for removing from office the person criminal who would have tried to get himself appointed President For Life.

Wasn't Milo certain that if Sanders lost to Biden then Trump would automatically win the elections? Or is it another poster? In any case, having certainties of the kind is a fool's errand.

if not, we'll change the terms of the argument again

Wasn't Milo certain that if Sanders lost to Biden then Trump would automatically win the elections?

Nope.

I voted for water.

With the Democratic climate plan, you'll have plenty of it. Salty, but nevertheless...

Truly glad that I "wasted" my vote (yes, in Pennsylvania) on a third-party candidate with a platform I actually agree with.

And not one whom I knew would essentially be a feckless piece of shit mumbling bullshit to a bunch of feckless pieces of shit, none of whom understand or care about anything except lining their own pockets

congrats, here's your banana sticker

Congrats, here's your gullible fool sticker.

lol thinking that anyone voted for the hypothetical 3.5 trillion or whatever BBB plan. They voted to get rid of Trump.

can i get a sticker and a congrats as well

My apologies, Moodles.

can i get a sticker and a congrats as well

― Karl Malone, Thursday, October 28, 2021 2:48 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't know if it means much but you get the VHS's favorite poster sticker.

that does mean a lot! i will never take this sticker off of its backing :)

I'm not upset or anything, but I think this ongoing assumption that most of the people on there buy into the myth of Joe Biden vs simply just voting for the marginally better viable option is super played out

*on here

i want to say "i can't think of a single person here who is a joe biden fan", but i'm sure there's some old post where someone really makes the case for him. but yeah, it is definitely very played out

'I told you the largest stimulus bill in US history would face hurdles and that Joe Biden would compromise on some core elements of it!'