The Havana Syndrome

"I just process visas, I'm not CIA!"
Russian Tommy Lee Jones - "I don't care."

Huh

https://theintercept.com/2014/09/04/former-l-times-reporter-cleared-stories-cia-publication/

the wiring and networking in the brain

🧵This from @juliaioffe is 45 seconds of a firehose of idiocy and since it just might be the pretext for the next war, I’m going to go through it piece by piece. This is Elizabeth Holmes “a chemistry occurs” only more arrogant and confused. pic.twitter.com/8NJ2TeTG4Q

— Daniel Koffler, MD 🌹🏴🔥🇵🇸 (@dmkoffler) October 28, 2021

someone has brain damage, that's for sure.

you don't even need to know anything or see it debunked, it's obvious from her hedging and body language that she's full of shit

shades of 'a chemistry is performed'

How does this gibberish get published

A thing that has surprised me in this spate of skeptical Havana Syndrome op-eds is that many of them have failed to reckon with the possibility that the tech at play could be iterative—and that different iterations are now in the hands of multiple actors. https://t.co/mDH4KfB4d7

— Katie Bo Lillis (@KatieBoLillis) November 4, 2021

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Katie (Annoyed Grunt) Lillis

The dreaded multiple actors.....

Do journalists understand how burden of proof works?

It has caught me by surprise too. Skepticism is good! But insisting the matter is settled—when the public-facing literature is hardly unanimous & a majority of the data remains classified & therefore unavailable for public debate—doesn't make a lot of sense to me as a journalist. https://t.co/zaBxl80f8Z

— Katie Bo Lillis (@KatieBoLillis) November 4, 2021

there are journalists and there are USIC stenographers

lol @ the 'captain-save-a-genocidal-torture-factory' s itt. havana syndrome is obviously a collective psychosomatic manifestation of the existential guilt felt for unconscionable actions, a telltale heart for all the victims of torture and suppression around the world. if you had any feeling or sympathy you would save it for the CIA's victims rather than its operatives.

saw this on site new answers and assumed it was about a band I never heard of

Ry Cooder, Tom Waits & Marc Ribot, Havana Syndrome

Havana Swell Time

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/cia-says-havana-syndrome-not-result-sustained-global-campaign-hostile-rcna12838

In a new intelligence assessment, the CIA has ruled out that the mysterious symptoms known as Havana Syndrome are the result of a sustained global campaign by a hostile power aimed at hundreds of American diplomats and spies, six people briefed on the matter tell NBC News.

In about two dozen cases, the agency can’t rule out foreign involvement, including many of the cases that originated at the U.S. embassy in Havana beginning in 2016. Another group of cases is considered unresolved. But in hundreds of other cases of possible symptoms, the agency has found plausible, alternate explanations, the sources said.

This report, if true, would seem to run directly contrary to milo's hypothesis that the CIA not only knew from the start that this syndrome was bogus, but that the CIA cunningly boosted its signal as part of a disinformation campaign, purposely creating a hysteria beneficial to them and their spymasters. If it all was working so well to that end, why repudiate it?

i would guess with a lot of certainty that the CIA was grasping at straws as to come to some sort of conclusion for all of these incidents.

If it all was working so well to that end, why repudiate it?

They got their money and grifts have to end eventually.

“The CIA admits it was bullshit, this proves they didn’t know it was bullshit” is an interesting argument, though.

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CIA interim report is disinformation. Other agencies furious no coordination occurred & they disagree. This still shows how individual agencies disregarding uniform approach & not including proper experts. Why?

We already filed lawful whistleblower complaint challenging CIA. https://t.co/t1t1VduUN4

— Mark S. Zaid (@MarkSZaidEsq) January 20, 2022

best guess is that multiple people in this thread have dealt with the CIA regarding the matter

This report, if true, would seem to run directly contrary to milo's hypothesis that the CIA not only knew from the start that this syndrome was bogus, but that the CIA cunningly boosted its signal as part of a disinformation campaign, purposely creating a hysteria beneficial to them and their spymasters. If it all was working so well to that end, why repudiate it?

Don't think anyone ever claimed it was working well? Why not cash yr chips in when it's clear the con isn't working?

Not sure how “Havana Syndrome=Profit” works. Sounds like “hospitals get paid more if they call it a COVID death”.

ah the cia simps are out again

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CompleteFriendlyAustraliancurlew-max-1mb.gif

aren't they just testing a weapon on their own people? that's kinda their m.o.

Not sure how “Havana Syndrome=Profit” works

why would they decide to stop the massive havana syndrome gravy train versus just making a fake report that says it was definitely a foreign power?

because it didn't gain any traction and is being mocked by all but the most susceptible

also the purpose of a con doesn't have to be exclusively financial gain

but i thought the overly credulous shill media was buying it hook line & sinker? itt the cia is all-powerful but also susceptible to twitter criticism, their motives unknowable but also completely obvious & predictable

the objective isn't to convince the media, it's to convince the populace

INT. CIA HEADQUARTERS, NIGHT: "Bad news, fellow spooks... it's being mocked by all but the most susceptible... there's nothing left to do, I guess, but release a report that tells the truth. We did our best."

I don't think the CIA is "all powerful" at all, it has a long and storied history of fucking up while meddling in world events, judged by the standards of what it was trying to achieve

I also don't think it's motives are ever unknowable, they're pretty straightfoward

I mean I dunno man, we're talking about an organisation that has a long history of lying to the populations of other countries and its own, this isn't even some leftist conspiracy stuff it's acknowledged by the organisation itself, though of course always within the framing of "we needed to do this to protect freedom/America".

Dunno why when an organisation that does this comes out with a wildly outlandish claim our default should be that they're acting in good faith.

the cia is obv a historical bad actor but i guess i just have never heard an explanation for this particular conspiracy theory that makes any sense, even by those terms. the purpose of this gigantic worldwide con operation was intended to increase the American public's antipathy towards a group of countries most Americans already virulently fear & hate? except the cia suddenly changed their mind and decided to give up?

Have you considered they are just kinda dumb and paranoid and genuinely believed they weee on to something

Were

much of the CIA's 20th century activity was aimed at increasing animosity against countries that most Americans already virulently feared and hated

if the report said it was definitely a foreign power ppl would say "of course theyd say that, the cia acts with total impunity to alter the course of world events", but when the report says the opposite its "of course theyd say that, they are total bumbling goons and are obviously very embarrassed."

Like not everything is a fourth dimension false flag psy-op. It’s possible they really think there was some sort of death ray giving them headaches cause they are dumb and paranoid that antifa is out to get them.

otm. and we all still get to think the cia is dumb and make fun of them! everybody wins.

I don't think that believing that they could pull this story off makes them any less dumb than believing it was actually true tbh

if the report said it was definitely a foreign power ppl would say "of course theyd say that, the cia acts with total impunity to alter the course of world events", but when the report says the opposite its "of course theyd say that, they are total bumbling goons and are obviously very embarrassed."

Well yeah, I'm not going to give a CIA report creedence no matter what its conclusions are, think that's pretty reasonable

except you have to shift your entire estimation of the cia depending on which conclusion you want to believe the opposite of(?), is my point

I was reading the timeline of a scholar who studies not national security, but the culture of the national security community and his conclusion is basically that they are really insulated from reality, subject to groupthink, not bright at all, and genuinely believe all protest or left wing movements are all in lock step and directed by central masterminds.

I mean, when the starting point is "the CIA are always bad intentioned liars" (which is, historically, not a bad starting position to take), it's easy enough to twist the narrative around this to be whatever you want it to be.

You don't, really - they float shit, some of it works, some of it doesn't. Just because an intelligence agency tries to influence public opinion doesn't mean there's some determinsitic guarantee that it'll work.

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I mean "of course the CIA would say that" is the get out of jail free card for literally any discussion around this and, once laid, it's pointless to engage in any further nuanced conversation.