The Havana Syndrome

I dunno, any case of mass hysteria seems interesting to me, but different strokes, I guess.

Can qe say for sure these are strokes tbf

see now milo is really leaning into the bad faith trolling. yes this is interesting and worthy of discussion, if only as a case study of mass hysteria like the cops who claimed the poison milkshakes. of course these assholes suck, but this is worth following on multiple levels (awareness, media aggregation, skepticism, possibly maybe occasionally actual evidence?).

what I really object to here is milo's underlying assertion that this thread shouldn't exist, and his decision to engage in his usual pointless overposting like Colin Anderson the psychic vampire, sapping the thread of all energy until none remain.

(the 10% of the time that milo isn't engaged in toxic bad-faith trolling, I usually agree with him ftr)

also v intrigued by brimstead's "sick building" post, a phenomenon that is known to exist and is actually documented. Wouldn't be surprised if some cut-corners DoD mentality resulted in shoddy construction that could create these effects.

again, yes, this is interesting and worth a thread.

No thread need justify itself, but let us demand that every post must

(-_-)

darraghmac i somehow just noticed yr display name, made me chuckle

milo's underlying assertion that this thread shouldn't exist

This underlying assertion that doesn't exist?

Cops and spooks psyching themselves up as victims and making themselves ill, how that's spread (paramilitary bosses telling their underlings they're under fire), the spooks and hawks use of the hysteria to further their goals (money, saber-rattling, enhancement of institutional power and prestige), the actual root cause - all things I've talked about in this very thread. That I'm prefacing it with "Havana Syndrome isn't real" (as Havana Syndrome has been repeatedly defined by the people selling it to gullible rubes - and Congressional Democrats, but I repeat myself) doesn't change any of that.

Are there also tossed off cheap shots? Yes, because the situation doesn't deserve some considered solemnity. No one's died (except whomever we decide to target with sanctions), there are no real stakes at play.

Tabes if you spotted a typically garbled reference to a resurgent man utd left back im v impressed

can someone please make a gif of the james bond gun barrel intro but instead of blood crawling down the screen it's barf

― ✖, Friday, 22 October 2021 01:26 (twenty-two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I really thought, before spotting the time posted,and with no small sense of horror, this was gonna finish with 'alec baldwin' and was like wow, dark af

admittedly chuckling at the thought of the bond intro ending with alec baldwin tumbling down the screen instead of blood

Yes i know but my first readings are commonly extremely cursory, shameful but true

JUST IN: Funding for victims of "Havana Syndrome" to be included in Pentagon bill https://t.co/5pr1NHSTJL pic.twitter.com/uTHupoCdd0

— The Hill (@thehill) October 25, 2021

Speaking as someone who lives with Havana type symptoms from long term post-concussion syndrome, I find the list of symptoms quite plausible - they’re all hearing/balance-related - very commonly the kind of thing you get from sustained loud noise/high pitched noise/hearing damage or a knock to the head. Builders and factory workers get these symptoms all the time because noise in the workplace is so poorly regulated. It’s not voodoo doll stuff.

And often with these symptoms, psychosomatic and actual physical symptoms become interdependent. Sometimes it’s pureky psychosomatic, sometimes it’s purely the result of actual physical damage, and sometimes it’s both – I’d say both was more common. Anyone who’s had tinnitus, either briefly or for a long period, knows this is pretty normal.

But those causes are easily identified. The cause they found in Havana was crickets, which the sufferers (and the conspiracy people who love them) are rejecting.

Those causes aren’t easily identified at all. Many, many people with concussion/trauma issues and functional neurological disorders have no idea what originally caused them.

Former CIA officers urge response to what they believe are Russian microwave attacks known as Havana Syndrome: “Enlist U.S. allies, expand forward deterrence, limit the adversary’s reach, choke off money, and bring those accountable to justice.” https://t.co/nyKr6pyZsI

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) October 25, 2021

we're gonna nuke every microwave in russia

*HUNTED*

"I just process visas, I'm not CIA!"
Russian Tommy Lee Jones - "I don't care."

Huh

https://theintercept.com/2014/09/04/former-l-times-reporter-cleared-stories-cia-publication/

the wiring and networking in the brain

🧵This from @juliaioffe is 45 seconds of a firehose of idiocy and since it just might be the pretext for the next war, I’m going to go through it piece by piece. This is Elizabeth Holmes “a chemistry occurs” only more arrogant and confused. pic.twitter.com/8NJ2TeTG4Q

— Daniel Koffler, MD 🌹🏴🔥🇵🇸 (@dmkoffler) October 28, 2021

someone has brain damage, that's for sure.

you don't even need to know anything or see it debunked, it's obvious from her hedging and body language that she's full of shit

shades of 'a chemistry is performed'

How does this gibberish get published

A thing that has surprised me in this spate of skeptical Havana Syndrome op-eds is that many of them have failed to reckon with the possibility that the tech at play could be iterative—and that different iterations are now in the hands of multiple actors. https://t.co/mDH4KfB4d7

— Katie Bo Lillis (@KatieBoLillis) November 4, 2021

Katie Katie Bo Lillis
Banana fana fo Fillis
Me mi mo millis

Katie (Annoyed Grunt) Lillis

The dreaded multiple actors.....

Do journalists understand how burden of proof works?

It has caught me by surprise too. Skepticism is good! But insisting the matter is settled—when the public-facing literature is hardly unanimous & a majority of the data remains classified & therefore unavailable for public debate—doesn't make a lot of sense to me as a journalist. https://t.co/zaBxl80f8Z

— Katie Bo Lillis (@KatieBoLillis) November 4, 2021

there are journalists and there are USIC stenographers

lol @ the 'captain-save-a-genocidal-torture-factory' s itt. havana syndrome is obviously a collective psychosomatic manifestation of the existential guilt felt for unconscionable actions, a telltale heart for all the victims of torture and suppression around the world. if you had any feeling or sympathy you would save it for the CIA's victims rather than its operatives.

saw this on site new answers and assumed it was about a band I never heard of

Ry Cooder, Tom Waits & Marc Ribot, Havana Syndrome

Havana Swell Time

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/cia-says-havana-syndrome-not-result-sustained-global-campaign-hostile-rcna12838

In a new intelligence assessment, the CIA has ruled out that the mysterious symptoms known as Havana Syndrome are the result of a sustained global campaign by a hostile power aimed at hundreds of American diplomats and spies, six people briefed on the matter tell NBC News.

In about two dozen cases, the agency can’t rule out foreign involvement, including many of the cases that originated at the U.S. embassy in Havana beginning in 2016. Another group of cases is considered unresolved. But in hundreds of other cases of possible symptoms, the agency has found plausible, alternate explanations, the sources said.

This report, if true, would seem to run directly contrary to milo's hypothesis that the CIA not only knew from the start that this syndrome was bogus, but that the CIA cunningly boosted its signal as part of a disinformation campaign, purposely creating a hysteria beneficial to them and their spymasters. If it all was working so well to that end, why repudiate it?

i would guess with a lot of certainty that the CIA was grasping at straws as to come to some sort of conclusion for all of these incidents.

If it all was working so well to that end, why repudiate it?

They got their money and grifts have to end eventually.

“The CIA admits it was bullshit, this proves they didn’t know it was bullshit” is an interesting argument, though.

see this watch? i got it by Crying. my car? crying. my beautiful wife? Crying. My perfect teeth? Crying. now get the fuck out of my office

— wint (@dril) January 14, 2012

Tryna make fetch happen

CIA interim report is disinformation. Other agencies furious no coordination occurred & they disagree. This still shows how individual agencies disregarding uniform approach & not including proper experts. Why?

We already filed lawful whistleblower complaint challenging CIA. https://t.co/t1t1VduUN4

— Mark S. Zaid (@MarkSZaidEsq) January 20, 2022

best guess is that multiple people in this thread have dealt with the CIA regarding the matter

This report, if true, would seem to run directly contrary to milo's hypothesis that the CIA not only knew from the start that this syndrome was bogus, but that the CIA cunningly boosted its signal as part of a disinformation campaign, purposely creating a hysteria beneficial to them and their spymasters. If it all was working so well to that end, why repudiate it?

Don't think anyone ever claimed it was working well? Why not cash yr chips in when it's clear the con isn't working?

Not sure how “Havana Syndrome=Profit” works. Sounds like “hospitals get paid more if they call it a COVID death”.

ah the cia simps are out again

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CompleteFriendlyAustraliancurlew-max-1mb.gif

aren't they just testing a weapon on their own people? that's kinda their m.o.

Not sure how “Havana Syndrome=Profit” works

why would they decide to stop the massive havana syndrome gravy train versus just making a fake report that says it was definitely a foreign power?

because it didn't gain any traction and is being mocked by all but the most susceptible

also the purpose of a con doesn't have to be exclusively financial gain