On Sinema at the Sinema: October 2021 US Politics thread

"attacking"

I agree with the sentiment Jon, there's also been dismissal of symptoms wrt to low wage workers and mental health sufferers, and it's never a pleasant sight. But I can't say I didn't laugh at “morons don’t know what a hangover is”.

how come Canada, which a has very strong presence of Protestant ethics and culture, same for a whole bunch of other countries, have managed to be much more progressive than the US, then? What explains it?

Weed, iirc

xp - milo, I'm annoyed because you seem to be taking a minor point of my post and attaching me for it, completely ignoring the larger point I was trying to make. You seem to do that, to me very specifically, at an alarming and almost worrying consistency.

"Havana Syndrome" is little different from people who develop Stanky Leg Syndrome after getting their Pfizer vaccine and start gofundmes for it - dismissing a made-up syndrome (which exists to further ulterior motives - the gofundme vs. everything the CIA and American foreign services do + getting extra $$$ from Congress) is not dismissing someone else's entirely valid illness. And as I said, it's not even dismissing the (alleged, oft-changing) symptoms, but the syndrome itself and everything that's being ginned up around it.

People joking about CIA flacks being too stupid to recognize a hangover are making a joke based on the assumption that the people in question are bad people who spend their lives doing bad things so who cares if they have a headache. If that's not your attitude toward the American intelligence state, this POV will be incomprehensible.

Canada is not that much more progressive than the US.

People joking about CIA flacks being too stupid to recognize a hangover are making a joke based on the assumption that the people in question are bad people who spend their lives doing bad things so who cares if they have a headache. If that's not your attitude toward the American intelligence state, this POV will be incomprehensible.

I don't disagree that CIA flacks are generally bad people, however, I also don't like to see the normalization and cheering on of dismissing/ignoring symptoms of people suffering from something that feels legitimate and very real to them. You laughing at it because it is happening to pawns of the American war state now just makes is easier for the next group to be dismissed, which is a lot less funny when it's an already marginalized group being told their symptoms are mass hysteria.

xpost I don't know I think you would like living in Quebec.

I mean, this weapon that America has used as yet another tool to marginalize women and POC for decades is funny now because it's happening to CIA spooks is not exactly the stance I want to take.

I don't disagree that CIA flacks are generally bad people, however, I also don't like to see the normalization and cheering on of dismissing/ignoring symptoms of people suffering from something that feels legitimate and very real to them.

You could say this about literally any fucking thing. I am reminded of the parody newspaper headline "World Destroyed In Nuclear Exchange - Women, Minorities Hardest Hit".

are we also not allowed to laugh at cops who have panic attacks after touching fentanyl

if Havana Syndrome is “real”, then there is a 99.9% chance it’s an invention of our own security state, being deployed on their own unsuspecting employees to justify budgets and very existence.

if it’s the 0.1% scenario and it is actually Cuba or China or Iran or whomever we’re antagonizing this week—and we somehow can’t get to the bottom of it after the trillions of dollars we’ve wasted just this century while people go without healthcare or food or housing, then
a) GOOD, and
b) shut it all down because clearly don’t deserve to be a globe-bestriding empire any longer

From: Kamala Harris

Look ______,

These are DARK days. But there's still HOPE. Give $5 in the next 25 MINUTES, and you'll be added to our petition asking PRESIDENT CARLSON to SHUT DOWN the camps and entered into a raffle for dinner with CAMILA CABELLO!

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— Osita Nwanevu (@OsitaNwanevu) October 20, 2021

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/10/senator-joe-manchin-democratic-party-exit-plan-biden-infrastructure-deal-exclusive/

can somebody please just bribe this guy???

I should've said: I'm not sure I'm buying that story. Manchin voted to impeach Trump. Twice. The party would never accept him, not even to stick it to Schumer and Biden.

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MANCHIN to @burgessev and me on the report he is threatening to leave the Democratic Party if his demands are not met on infrastructure: “I can’t control rumors and it’s bullshit, bullshit spelled with a B, U, L, L, capital ‘B’”: pic.twitter.com/ex8iHMIiSs

— Frank Thorp V (@frankthorp) October 20, 2021

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I mean, this weapon that America has used as yet another tool to marginalize women and POC for decades is funny now because it's happening to CIA spooks is not exactly the stance I want to take.

― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, October 20, 2021 5:32 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I think the point is mostly to reiterate how edgy and cool it is to dismiss CIA workers and I wouldn't take it personally.

b) shut it all down because clearly don’t deserve to be a globe-bestriding empire any longer

I mean, I think this could be said regardless, without any qualifiers tbh.

BULLBshit

but how come Canada, which a has very strong presence of Protestant ethics and culture, same for a whole bunch of other countries, have managed to be much more progressive than the US, then?

If you honestly believe that Canada is a bastion of progressivism, then I can't take anything you say seriously, fwiw.

are we also not allowed to laugh at cops who have panic attacks after touching fentanyl

That's not even comparable though, that's just born out of sheer stupidity and will always be hilarious.

Quakers had no problem killing and stealing from the Lenape.

― I'm a sovereign jizz citizen (the table is the table), Wednesday, October 20, 2021 3:44 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

INteresting reading about Quakers in Ibram X Kendi's Stamped too. Them being slavers too who were working against abolition initially.

& the Mayflower passengers were a bunch of self righteous drama queens who thought puritanism wasn't strict enough in England so went to Holland to be more extreme and then headed to the US to be even more sanctimonious innit

― Stevolende, Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:00 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is one of the best things in Mason & Dixon, how the ideals/rhetoric of the enlightenment in this country didn't exactly match the reality, especially with regard to indigenous people and Africans.

jvc, while I understand your frustration in this conversation, I just don't really understand why you're so concerned about these people who are, by dint of their job alone, objectively *bad* people.

https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/saving-calvin

I'll pass. Most overrated writer of the past hundred years, afaic.

I think the point is mostly to reiterate how edgy and cool it is to dismiss CIA workers and I wouldn't take it personally.

Big Cops Are Workers Too energy

And I know that's a controversial opinion.

I hate her prose, dislike her characters, and think her bullshit about returning to the Bible can get stuffed.

That's not even comparable though, that's just born out of sheer stupidity and will always be hilarious.

Why isn't it comparable though? Or, for that matter, the post-vaccine Stanky Leg as I referred to earlier?

https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/saving-calvin

― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:14 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

thanks for the link Alfred!

ODing from being within six feet of fentanyl is as believable as a magic ray weapon that's only used against CIA apparatchiks.

If you honestly believe that Canada is a bastion of progressivism, then I can't take anything you say seriously, fwiw.

― I'm a sovereign jizz citizen (the table is the table), Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:09 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Progressive enough for table isn't the same as not progressive, compare Canada to most nations in the world and you'll find it to be rather progressive despite its many flaws (of which I'm certain I am more aware of than you), and that there is a general consensus by actual experts on those metrics. Perhaps not coincidentally, the countries that rank above are usually also historically dominated by protestant culture.

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CIA workers

How else is the CIA going to get the funding for their own invisible death ray?

i'm cia worker-class

ok, maybe middle-upper cia worker class

we will be putting out a gofundme, raising funds is tough but necessary!!

I think the point is mostly to reiterate how edgy and cool it is to dismiss CIA workers and I wouldn't take it personally.

fabulous stuff

i haven't given a dime to any cause in 33 years because a part of me died with the end of the reagan presidency, but i will dig deep and give $10 to the cia blue lives matter division, the ones that support our underfunded police officers and foreign intelligence efforts

i don't know what they do at the CIA, i just heard it was cool to make fun of them

Black Site Local 472

god bless, karl malone!

signed,
CIA workers

they analyze the evidence and come up with theories. there is a lot of drinking that goes on. everyone wears shades. it's definitely full of independent thinkers

Perhaps not coincidentally, the countries that rank above are usually also historically dominated by protestant culture.

Okay, if you're going to be such a Captain-Save-a-Protestant Western Chauvinist, then what distinguishes the US strains of Protestantism that makes it so uniquely FUCKED?

You know where some of the most repressive places on the planet are? Places that PROTESTANT COLONIZED after ENSLAVING THE POPULATION

what is the official ranking we're using btw

Pazz & Jop points

This argument definitely needs a top 10 best countries list so we can get some context

VHS started it, let him finish it.